Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
You wrote:
“Why would she need saved if she was sinless?”
She had to be saved because all human beings need saved from sin. She just had not stained by it when she was saved from it. She was saved from the beginning of her existence.
You wrote:
“The woman of Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel ONLY. No double speak.”
No double speak at all, just the standard interpretation: Israel, Mary and the Church.
So you believe the church has replaced Israel? BTW That is the most discombobulated interpretation of Revelation 12 I have ever seen. Obviously made to try to prove a previously held belief.
Blasphemy with no scriptural authority.
What you posted did not do what you claimed it would that beliefs/faith/doctrines imposed by a college in no way guarantees observance. In both links you gave the professors in question were not permitted to continue to teach or their book was banned. Your claim was first to slam Moody, then when someone stuck up for them, you switched to your backup of denigrating ALL Protestant Universities. Are you pretending that there are never such occurrences within the Catholic university systems? ARE there an Catholic universities anymore that adhere to the Church's teachings? It is the height of idealist based denial INDEED.
I suppose your nasty repartee makes you imagine others will fear to disagree with you, but, you would be quite wrong. All bark, no bite. All bluff and bluster. All the time. No love of Christ in evidence.
Judith dear.....many people debate and that with great passion but they do not accuse their opponets of being anti- whatever...this seems to occur from catholics.
imo people are labelled falsely as “anti-Catholic” by defenders of the Church to silence people and avoid answering legitimate questions truthfully....and these threads frequently attests to that.
Wow....now you have got to prove that statement because that is way out in left field!
Cannot hardly believe the deep deception some are under...really quite amazing when people even imagine the church replaced Israel when they became a nation in one day....when all the prophieses continue to point to her and her ultimate restored estate. Mindboggling to me how people can twist scripture to validate their opinion.
placemark
You have any more proof of that than your comments about Moody?
And altars....
Keep reading.....
But wait, it gets "better"
The Church says she was created without a sin nature and was "ever ABSOLUTELY FREE OF ALL STAIN OF SIN, all fair and perfect," (-Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus) remaining "free of EVERY PERSONAL SIN her WHOLE LIFE LONG."- The German Bishop's Conference, The Church's Confession of Faith (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1987), p. 46, quoting J.A. Mohler.
Kind of causes you to wonder why God just didn't do that for all of us and save the world a lot of grief.
Now, wait a minute.........
If God can forgive all the sin that Mary was to have committed not only before she committed them but even before Jesus not only died but was born, then why do Catholics have such a problem with all our future sins that we haven't committed yet being covered under Jesus's redemption, so that we can still get to heaven if we haven't kept perfect accounts with God, confessing every single sin that we ever committed in our lives, you know, because of a faulty memory or such?
Then Scripture was wrong when it states that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that among those born of women, there is not one greater than John the Baptist.
And Mary lied when she stated that God was her savior, because if she was born without a sin nature and never sinned, she would not have needed a savior. Not to mention that she would not have been fully human either.
Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses have confession?
The problem with confusing polemic with advocacy is that it ends up wasting time.
I agree that we are never commanded to obey such a group. Yet somehow I suspect this will not resolve our differences.
When Jesus says to those few with him at the last supper that the Holy Spirit will guide them into all truth He does not say how. He therefore cannot be assumed to have meant that that guiding would be without human mediation for all His followers, the many not in the upper room then and the very many all over the world now.
While there is no positive statement that the Spirit will guide all Christians into all the Truth without human mediation, Paul, speaks about the gifts of the Spirit, asks (expecting the answer ‘no’) “Are all teachers?” Yet earlier he says that some are.
If some, but not all, are teachers, then some are pupils. We are talking about the Gospel, the Faith, and the manner of living I, I presume.
What pupils have in common is that they are to learn. Evidently Paul says some are to teach them.
Therefore the Spirit guides some, even many, into at least some aspects of the truth through the ministry of teachers, and not by direct, unmediated inspiration.
There were, so to speak, “levels” among our Lord's followers. The Seventy and the Twelve are the clearest example. After the Resurrection Paul says there are still levels. It seems apparent that among the many problems at Corinth was something like status envy. Paul is arguing that the differentiation of functions and ministries is not a difference in the degree of participation or inspiration. After all, no one can say “Jesus is Lord,” (and mean it) without inspiration, and the Church is the family of those who make that confession.
But we have to distinguish between degree and kind. Paul clearly does so in Ephesians and Corinthians.
It follows from all this that for some the Spirit used human mediation to guide into the truth, and Paul implies that pupils are no less inspired than, but are inspired differently from teachers.
If God has not set me in the Church as teacher, then I had better resolve to learn from those who teach.
Does the phrase “Sin nature” appear in Scripture?
(1) If one without sin is not fully human, then the Son of Man, who was without sin, was not fully human, and Adam and Eve were not fully human until they fell. Quod absurdum est.
(2) If you fall off a cliff and I come and rescue you and bind your wounds and so forth, I have saved you. If, seeing you are about to fall off a cliff, I grab you and prevent the fall, I have also saved you.
While we now need laws and plans to save us from an economic disaster in which we are, Obama at least pretended that Porkulus would save us from falling into this situation.
The first is how Jesus is savior to us. The second is how he was Savior to Mary.
imo people are labelled falsely as “anti-Catholic” by defenders of the Church to silence people and avoid answering legitimate questions truthfully....and these threads frequently attests to that.
caww dear. when people are labeled as “anti-Catholic by defenders of the Church, it is not to silence them (unless they are too thin-skinned for open threads, or to avoid answering “legitimate questions truthfully, such as the ubiquitous “Why do you worship Mary?” question. These threads frequently attest to the anti-Catholic bigotry found on all the open threads of FR. If you have a problem with the label, look in the mirror.
Am I to believe. from your "Judith dear" that I am beloved by you? I don't THINK so!
I must take exception here. No forgiveness ever needed for Mary because she did not nor would she do anything that might require forgiveness...according to the doctrine.
“The Church says she was created without a sin nature...”
Created by whom without a sin nature? and the rest of us?
“The wages of sin is death”, said Paul, so why would a sinless, perfect person die?
“.... to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”
If only the Bible didn’t say otherwise....
Well that is the point of all the dialogue shared on the religious threads....because without "belief" none would be debating or arguing the issues.
You see "facts" can always be presented and framed to support any issue.....but meaningless if one doesn't really 'believe' in them.
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