Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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So...that does indeed make her a Co-Redeemer with Christ and Mediatress of All Grace.
Logically speaking, wouldn't the fact that she is present in the Eucharist, and Christ is worshipped in the Eucharist, that she, too would be worshipped as part of the Body and Blood of Christ? How do you remove the Mary part of the Eucharist wafers and wine, for "hyperdulia" from the Christ part of the Eucharist wafers and wine, for worship? I'm pretty sure you cannot. Which makes the Mass a time of worship for both Christ and Mary. Logically speaking, of course.
Blame shifting.
‘If they believe she was immaculately conceived herself so she could be the “ark” of Christ, then she would necessarily HAVE to be present in the Eucharist. Which turns the Mass of Christ into the Mass of Mary and Christ. If they believe she is NOT present in the Eucharist, then she becomes responsible for the HUMAN Jesus and not the GOD Jesus Christ.”
The only thing this makes me think is that there sure is some convoluted logic here.
Mary would be “present” only in the sense that it was from her that Jesus received His Human form. No mother is responsible for the soul of her offspring, that is our gift from God, but a mother is a mother to the whole of her child not just the flesh and bone.
There was a heresy rejected by the Church on the very nature of your post. I think it was called Arianism, but it could be Nestorianism or a combination of the two. Or something else entirely, I get them confused.
It was not her body on the cross, but the flesh of her flesh, bone of her bone, blood of her blood that was crucified and shed for our redemption.
That makes her a little more than just another tool in God’s belt.
Thanks. You expressed it very well. Honestly, I don’t understand why they MUST put her down.
Preach it, sister.
I have rarely felt so patronized. And it is remarkable because there is no reason that Mary's immaculate conception would require her to be present in the Eucharist.
The Eucharist is, we hold, the body of Christ. You are a member of that body. So is Mary. So am I. We are in the Eucharist as I said, because we are in Christ.
Could you explain why you think that Immaculate conception necesarily means that one would be in the Eucharist?
I’m waiting for the scripture that says her role was complete.
Ah, I think I understand now what you're getting at here. To be honest, I need to pray and seek God's guidance on this as I've never read this passage with Mary in mind before but my initial reaction would be that Paul's making up for the lack of Christ's sufferings, even with the understanding of "not I, but Christ" is not in the same league as Christ's Redemption of Mankind. Similar in some respects, yes, and maybe even in the same "family" but I hope you'll understand my extreme caution in not wanting to attribute any kind of honor for Redemption to anyone other than Christ. My redemption and the honor, glory and worship due to my Redeemer is not something that I monkey around with lightly. I'm more than glad to honor Mary for being the earthly Mother of Christ, but this is a whole different level.
Preach it, brother.
Amen and Amen.
I’m waiting for the scripture that says her role was complete.Amazing the requirements that are made of prots, but Catholic Epologists are exempt from this requirement and can base unheard of dogma on admittedly UNscriptural novelties, hundreds of years after the resurrection.
It is through the Mass, according to the RCC, that God's anger against sin is pacified. 1371,1414.
.."This is a truly propitiatory sacrifice...For the Lord is appeased by this offering, he gives the gracious gift of repentance, he absolves even enormous offenses and sins.- Council of Trent, session 22, "Teaching and Canons on the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass," chapter 2.
Sorry about that!
Yes not in the same league and Oh,My,DWACIOUS yes, I understand the anxiety.
SOME salve MAY be found in Philippians, “for it is God that worketh in you,both to will and to do.” Our part is the fear and trembling, of which I bet Mary did plenty, and not just at the foot of the cross.
The Catechism of the Catholic church is the document which uses the term *Mediatrix*.
That is not something anyone made up to smear the RCC. They own it. It’s awfully hard to deny what they have plainly written down THEMSELVES.
I’m not the one who said it. You base all your beliefs on Scripture, well, let’s see one.
Yea, their Nicene Creed sounds all flowery and pious...Trouble is, the entire thing is not only non biblical, it is anti biblical...
E-poligists, good one.
Well, she was part of the posse that thought Jesus was crazy and "they went out to seize him, for they were saying, "He is out of his mind." Mark 3:20, 3:31AND this is sinless behavior? Was her accusation to Jesus on the 3 day visit to the temple sinless?And Paul martyred Stephen. So what?
Why are all her remarks to the Savior met with standoffish behavior?
Why is she mentioned ONLY once in the Book of ACT, Romans, 1,2 Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Phillipians, Colossians, 1,2 Thessalonians, 1,2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1,2 Peter, 1,2,3 John, Jude and Revalation?
I said something right? Me?
Are you free from sin, due to Christ’s sacrifice? If you are, she is.
I don’t see the point in *Christianizing* (which IMO is really Westernizing and a church/cultural thing) anyone.
People need to be themselves, not somebody else. Everybody else is already taken. We need to be what God made us to be and do what HE has for us to do.
Amen ! Sister.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
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