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To: smvoice; Avalon Hussar; Judith Anne

‘If they believe she was immaculately conceived herself so she could be the “ark” of Christ, then she would necessarily HAVE to be present in the Eucharist. Which turns the Mass of Christ into the Mass of Mary and Christ. If they believe she is NOT present in the Eucharist, then she becomes responsible for the HUMAN Jesus and not the GOD Jesus Christ.”

The only thing this makes me think is that there sure is some convoluted logic here.

Mary would be “present” only in the sense that it was from her that Jesus received His Human form. No mother is responsible for the soul of her offspring, that is our gift from God, but a mother is a mother to the whole of her child not just the flesh and bone.

There was a heresy rejected by the Church on the very nature of your post. I think it was called Arianism, but it could be Nestorianism or a combination of the two. Or something else entirely, I get them confused.

It was not her body on the cross, but the flesh of her flesh, bone of her bone, blood of her blood that was crucified and shed for our redemption.

That makes her a little more than just another tool in God’s belt.


1,143 posted on 09/06/2011 11:08:49 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Thanks. You expressed it very well. Honestly, I don’t understand why they MUST put her down.


1,144 posted on 09/06/2011 11:11:03 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Jvette; smvoice; Avalon Hussar; Judith Anne
"then she becomes responsible for the HUMAN Jesus and not the GOD Jesus Christ.”

There goes Ephesus and Chalcedon. We have two persons here. But there is one Christ, not two.

My mother did not provide the y chromosome, but she is the mother of all of me. Mary did not provide the Divine nature, but she is the mother of all of Jesus who IS Jesus Christ,who IS God the Son of God. There is no part of God the Son of God which is not Jesus and no part of Jesus which is not God the Son of God. He is one person.

Or so we hold. Remember, the Marian stuff all arose out of a Christological controversy.

1,171 posted on 09/06/2011 11:35:25 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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