Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
Nope, I stated 'a generation'. Not generations.
The argument started when CB tried to get us to believe that a 'generation' was 70 years, rather than 20-25 in those years.
That is how you see it, but to a Muslim - based on what the Catechism says as well as what your Pope said to the Muslim youth - they are told they worship the SAME god.
So? We can say the same about the JWs. Or the Oneness Pentecostals.
Nope, they simply understand how things are. This is the wisdom of the Magisterium, not the god that so many Protestants see starting back at them when they look in the mirror.
This little hobby-horse of yours calling non-Catholics worshipers of themselves is stale and broken.
Not as long as the practice continues.
Your "wise" magesterium have failed miserably with the Muslim issue. It's too bad those who hold your eternity in their hands can be so clumsy.
It is not the Catholics who are wiping out Middle Eastern, North African and Balkan Christians. It is the non Catholic Christians at the State Department. Look at the casualties caused by our policies over the last 20 years.
Books such as Hermas, Barnabus and the Didache were some of the list. The whole list? Don't know. I do know this: much of the Church's theology was developed before any NT Scripture was written. It doesn't matter what you or I think. The Church has the authority, not any man.
We have today what God intended for us to know and have. Every basic tenet of the Christian faith is authorized by Scripture.
I think that it would fascinating if you actually found out what Scripture actually says.
Any doctrine contrived outside of the authority of Scripture is not and should not be binding upon a believer.
Ditto.
I think I've been on this site before. Kinda like ScriptureCatholic but with more colour. I'd ask you to look back over it and remove all of John's writings from consideration. I could not convince you if you did not have a Trinitarian belief. The remaining verses can be interpreted to fit within a Trinitarian mindset. That is far different than proving the Trinitarian formula from first principles.
Cut it any way you want to MD, but the slice still comes out the same...
The Roman Catholic Catechism TEACHES that Mary is a “Mediatrix” — the Scriptures state unequivocally that there is but one intercessor between God and man — Jesus Christ.
Make it a game of semantics all you wish; I don’t *have* to point out anything... God already did!
So, the question still stands: follow God, or the Roman Catholic Church’s faulty teaching?
:D
Hoss
What are they for? Reminds me of down on the farm...
They're as necessary as teats on a boar hog.
Why have a priest do what YOU can do directly with God Almighty through the shed blood of His Son Jesus Christ? Did not Christ teach is disciples to pray? Did have tell them to go to Father Confessor and have him pray to God in their stead?
No... He taught them to pray... just as we are to pray. I certainly ask my brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for me for certain needs/issues... but I pray to God to confess my sins and repent. No one else can do that for me but Christ. He intercedes for me. Not Mary, nor any other.
What are priests for? Not much.
Hoss
Your logic doesn't fly...
Mary and Jesus are co-redeemers but Jesus is the boss, eh??? Mary doesn't redeem anything...She gets redeemed herself...
There's no fact to your theory...There's no evidence for your theory...And you ought to be embarrassed to even bring it up...
So you couldn't answer the questions either, eh??? Don't you know any bible???
I’d put it differently . . .
If it weren’t for the clunky “thinking” of the lesser RC lights hereon, you might have a LITTLE competition for dazzling brilliance.
LOL.
Really — so Iscool’s group does not believe that the Holy Spirit is God? Interesting....
Scripture: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, , just as we have the Israelites described in the OT as a priestly nation with ministerial priests, so too we see in the NT, Christians as a royal priesthood of all and too some elders, pastors and other ministerial priests.
Sorry, Bro, I can't let that slide.
That assertion constitutes a horrific RC double standard.
What's good for Benny Hinn is good for Montfort.
I personally think Benny Hinn is more than a little off the wall in a list of ways. Not only do some of his pronouncements strike me as horrifically unBiblical, some of his actions come across to me as arrogant and off the wall.
Yet, he purportedly believes Christ came in the flesh and the basic doctrines of the Christian faith. Further, it appears that GOD, HOLY SPIRIT has seemed to ignore some such [though He evidently took Benny to the woodshed for a period of time to some effect] and continued to work through Benny to the spiritual and healing benefit of thousands.
Whether, as some of us believe, God will eventually clean such folks clocks big time and/or remove them from ministry, remains to be seen.
It has always been God's habit to use very strange characters . . . and thereby to confound the "wise" in their own eyes with such questionable characters.
And, we have an old timer FREEPER who's been in Benny's church for a considerable period of time and affirms Benny's more or less authentic Christianity--at least for a period of time.
I shake my head and conclude that I'm thankful I'm not Benny's supervisor, God is. I'm not Benny's judge, God is.
Jesse DuPlantis is in a different category, to me. Jesse's a 1,000% more congruent with Scripture, with himself, with God's priorities etc. Whatever off the wall or SEEMINGLY off the wall assertions attributable to him come across to me as the more or less minor sorts of things flawed humans pontificate about from time to time.
In any case, their nonsensical, un/extra Biblical pontifications come across to me as wild haired conjectures. So what. Opinions are a Chinese fen [about a 1/10th or less of a penney] a thousand.
The wild haired assertions of MANY Rabid RC's hereon have been AT LEAST as off the wall and proffered as ABSOLUTE MAGICSTERICAL PROMULGATED TRUTH instead of their personal conjectures.
The stuff in Ferraro's Devotional should make any authentic Christian's hair curl it is sooooooo HIDEOUSLY UNBIBLICAL AND OUTRAGEOUSLY BRAZENLY IDOLATROUS. Labeling it merely "enthusiastic" is like labeling deliberately hellishly treasonous, demonized Shrillery and OThuga merely clumsy and slightly misguided.
It's like taking Montfort et al and their outrageously idolatrous assertions and labeling them inconsequential because they have jumped through all the organizational hoops otherwise. Or because they flatter the Magicsterical with compliance sufficiently to have the Magicsterical's favor. Or because they believe the same outrageously idolatrous hogwash from hell that the Magicsterical believes.
And THEN Rabid Clique RC's hereon have the unmitigated duplicitous, hypocritical, brazen gall to point the finger at even the likes of Benny Hinn???!!! Gimme a break.
Montfort, Ferraro et all are talking about a super key priority of GOD ALMIGHTY.
There's NO ROOM for conjecture or personal opinion on that score. IDOLATRY IS IDOLATRY. Whitewashing it does not wash it away in the least.
Dressing it up in Magicsterical weasel-worded double-speak doesn't change it a microgram's worth in God's eyes nor on the eternal ledger.
To swallow and PRACTICE such INSTITUTIONALLY PROFFERED, ENCOURAGED, REWARDED, PRAISED, EMBELLISHED AND BRAZEN idolatry AS CLEARLY A SHOCKING NUMBER ON FR DEFINITELY DO
AND THEN
to throw rocks at nonsense from the likes of Benny Hinn is beyond hypocritically idiotic. It is virulent duplicity of the worst sort.
At least with Benny Hinn, many Pentecostals call him to task and note to their flock to watch out for his obvious flaws.
On the RC side, it's circle the wagons and defend BRAZENLY DEMONIC IDOLATRY AS KOSHER--EVEN REQUIRED RC DOGMA. And y'all think God is amused? I've got news for you. He's !NOT!
Nope. It comes across much MORE as hugely PRISSY, sanctimoniously, exclusionistly, BRAZENLY ARROGANT, mostly.
WE OF THE VATICAN MAGICSTERICAL ELITE CHOOSE TO BE STUCK BACK IN 1600 YEAR OLD VOCABULARY. IF you wish to rise to our lofty levels, you'll familiarize yourselves with our DAFFYNITIONARY and use it faithfully . . . or be considered the smelly unwashed outside the fold and certainly uninitiated in the finer, loftier levels and practices of the truly truest truly true truly magicsterical levels of the holiest of holies.
What a stench. Go ahead and fling your special vocabulary far and wide. Go ahead and cheekily--in typical RC !!!DEMANDING!!! style and attitude, !!!DEMAND!!! that Proddys, pagans and all the ships at sea comply with or at least instantly understand such exclusionist vocabulary.
It CERTAINLY does !NOT! come across as a fruit of Holy Spirit. It comes across as a very arrogant and very deliberate tool to maintain the boundaries of just who is in the IN-GROUP vs who is unwashed and outside the Vatican Mary-Ishtar-Goddess fold.
I think using it shoots y'all's system in the foot all the time.
Oh, sure, there are groveling sheeple who'll aspire to be SOOOOO RIGHTEOUS as to be able to use such exclusionist vocabulary. There always are.
Most just see it as haughty and prissy and walk on by shaking their heads.
. . . .Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary . . .
Nope. It comes across much MORE as hugely PRISSY, sanctimoniously, exclusionistly, BRAZENLY ARROGANT, mostly.
INDEED. INDEED.
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Quix:
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Quix:
Nice. Jesse is true to scripture when he says You, not God, Decides When to Die
“I’m going to say something that will knock your lights off. Go has the power to take life, but He can’t. He’s got the power to do it, but He won’t. He’s bound; He can’t. He says, “Death and life is in the power of” who’s tongue? Yours. You ready for this? You want something that’ll knock your lights off? You choose when you live; you choose when you die. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not God’s.
cool, so Quix, your group says Jesse is true to scripture, eh?
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