Posted on 08/24/2011 3:44:09 AM PDT by Cronos
Three months after allowing the ordination of openly gay clergy, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) seems headed for a split as nearly 2,000 conservative Presbyterians are gathering in Minneapolis on Thursday and Friday with creation of a “new Reformed body” as an agenda.
Making preparations for the conference is the Rev. Paul Detterman, executive director of Presbyterians for Renewal, an independent organization based in Louisville, Ky., where the denomination’s headquarters are.
Detterman, administrative consultant for the new Fellowship of Presbyterians, the organizer, recently wrote in a communication to fellow conservatives that initially only a few hundred people were interested in new ways of “being church,” but the change in the ordination standards increased the number of registrations to over 1,900.
The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), which has a membership of over 2 million, became the fourth Protestant denomination in the U.S. to give the ordination rights to openly gay and lesbian clergy by ratifying a constitutional amendment on May 10.
The conference, to be attended by 70 national and regional church officials, is for “people who are deeply troubled and whose integrity is deeply threatened by the move the denomination has made,” Detterman, a longtime pastor and church musician, told The Courier-Journal on the weekend. But, he added, he was urging the group to consider alternatives short of splitting, and that there would be no formal voting or “silver bullet” solutions.
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I could find in myself no room for discussion.I am convicted that when any church organization rejects the Bible and goes whoring after other gods-when the sodomite is brought into the sanctuary to be embraced ,perhaps given a pastoral position-the debate is over—and I will flee immorality-resist the devil and he will flee.I cannot compromise my conscious and cannot remain where I do not find God.My God is bigger than any church organization.And my faith measured by what is written.
I applaud the effort but considering the average age of the membership it may be too late.
I couldn’t conceive of any easier way to destroy a congregation then to appoint a gay or lesbian pastor.
1930 ok to contraception
1950s - ok to easy divorce
1970s - acceptance of homosexuality AND women pastors
1980s - women bishops
1990s - celibate openly gay pastors
2003 - bishop gene robinson, openly living with his partner...
what is the average age?
One Conservative Presbyterian denomination is the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America). The PCA has a Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage (one man and one woman under God), Biblical Inerrancy, Male Elders and Deacon planks.
If your fed up with Political correctness in church and want to learn from the Bible again, please consider coming to the PCA.
if one does not believe in the Resurrection, one is simply not Christian...
Well the Anglican Church comes from the UK and from what I have noticed is that the UK is leading the West into the abyss of destruction, as envisioned by Marx, with their “progressive” agenda.
Back in the 1980s a conservative split did happen among the Presbyterians. The new conservative branch called themselves the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC)
The EPC began in 1980 when a group of pastors and elders held meetings in St. Louis, Missouri for planning and prayer. They came from mainline Presbyterian denominations like the United Presbyterian (northern churches) and the Presbyterian Church in the United States (southern churches). These leaders had become increasingly distressed by liberalism within their denominations. They wanted to form a church that took seriously the words of Scripture, the theology of the historic confessions of the faith, and the evangelical fervor of Presbyterian founders.
We have been going to an EPC for 9 years now and find it conservative both in the members politics, (lots of Republican bumper stickers at election time) and in the churches foundation and teachings. And our Pastor was an Army Ranger in the 1980s, and his exploits during those years often find a place in a Sunday sermon adding interest.
Yes, and if one professes to be a Christian, but not believe in the Resurrection, then it is hard to have the "Power of the Resurrection" (Philippians 3:10) in ones life.
But I am with you. Christ's Resurrection is our Resurrection "If we died with Him, we will also live with Him" (1 Timothy 2:11). Therefore if they have not died and been raised with Him they are none of His.
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ouch, put a fork in it!
Most athiests can accept the teachings of Christ, but when it comes to the resurrection, oooh, no.
Even that celebrated athiest, Voltaire realised that to demolish Christianity you have to disprove the resurrection.
If someone does not believe in it, they cannot by pure logic alone (not to mention all the rest that you said, correctly) is not a Christian.
Thanks.
Coming to the Catholic Church? LOL!
They might.
I attended a Presbyterian Church for a number of years until they started down this road. I would doubt their 2 million number is not inflated just based on the way the church keeps records. They have people on the books who have been gone or dead for years.
I honestly don't know. I grew up in a Assembly of God (to spirited for my wife), and she grew up in a Community Church that is (too dull and scripted for me). EPC is a nice compromise.
Our churches web site:
Thanks. I knew the answer at one time but I’ve forgotten.
“One Conservative Presbyterian denomination is the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America). The PCA has a Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage (one man and one woman under God), Biblical Inerrancy, Male Elders and Deacon planks.
If your fed up with Political correctness in church and want to learn from the Bible again, please consider coming to the PCA.”
Indeed. I’m a PCA layman myself and I love my denomination. Only men are allowed to be ordained as church officers and every one of them has to affirm the inerrancy of the Bible in his ordination vows.
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