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Mormonism and Mitt Romney’s “Weirdness”
New York Times ^ | Aug. 9, 2011 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/11/2011 4:29:28 AM PDT by Colofornian

...we pretty much know what kind of re-election campaign Barack Obama is going to wage: A relentlessly negative one, which...will focus almost exclusively on making the challenger seem unacceptable rather than defending the sitting president’s accomplishments. Thanks to Ben Smith at Politico, we also know roughly how the White House plans to “destroy Mitt Romney,”...By “attacking him as inauthentic, unprincipled and, in a word used repeatedly by Obama’s advisers in about a dozen interviews, ‘weird.’”

Weird how, you ask? Here’s Smith:

The character attacks on Romney will focus on what critics view as a makeover, both personal (skinny jeans) and political (abortion) … Democrats also plan to amplify what Obama strategists described as the “weirdness” quotient, the sum of awkward public encounters and famous off-kilter anecdotes, first among them the tale of Romney having strapped his dog to the roof of his car.

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...The crucial thing to understand here is that Romney’s Latter Day Saint affiliation isn’t just a potential liability among evangelical voters in Republican primaries. It’s a potential general election liability as well. In a recent Gallup poll, 18 percent of Republicans described themselves as unwilling to vote for a Mormon candidate — but that number actually climbed to 19 percent among Independents, and 27 percent among Democrats.

Who are these non-conservative Mormon skeptics?... theologically conservative/politically liberal Christians (mainly African American and Hispanic) who regard Mormonism as a dangerous heresy...secular liberals...who dislike L.D.S...positions...people who don’t have a particular theological or political ax to grind, who know Mormonism primarily through pop culture (from “Big Love” and “Sister Wives” to “South Park” and “The Book of Mormon”) and the occasional encounter with bicycling missionaries, and who have a vague sense of the L.D.S. church as little bit cultish, a little bit outside-the-mainstream, and a little bit, well, weird...

(Excerpt) Read more at douthat.blogs.nytimes.com ...


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To: GunRunner
Caww might be a very fine person, I don't have any idea. But the statement was, AND IS, a deranged statement.

That's correct..you have no idea, not even close.

My statement was not deranged in the least bit. It stands on the knowlege of understanding what evil is and those who permote it's teachings.

We know what Islam is...they are straight forward about who they are and their beliefs. Mormons hide under the mask of deception and falsehood. But both have agendas that are not in the interest of this country but of their political agenda.....and those agendas are indeed evil....as well as there leaderships who promte them.

181 posted on 08/13/2011 10:28:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: Colofornian

What can you expect, atheists are crazy.


182 posted on 08/13/2011 10:38:13 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: GunRunner

I know you can’t understand that, but my faith comes before my politics.


183 posted on 08/13/2011 10:38:52 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: GunRunner; Elsie; Colofornian

Passing judgement is determining whether or not a person is a good person or a bad person.

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Labeling someone as ‘deranged’ is also passing judgement. Or are you the typical lib who thinks it is ok for YOU to pass judgement but not anyone else?


184 posted on 08/13/2011 10:51:34 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: GunRunner; Colofornian; reaganaut; caww

So you don’t see how people who devoutly believe and practice an EVIL religion could possibly be evil themselves?

Regarding Mormons, I have been there, I know what lies underneath that ‘clean, wholesome’ exterior. I know their motives because I know what they are taught their motives are to be.

You couldn’t possibly understand unless you’ve been there.


185 posted on 08/13/2011 10:57:29 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Or are you the typical lib who thinks it is ok for YOU to pass judgement but not anyone else?

You can do whatever the hell you like. I don't care.

Labeling someone as ‘deranged’ is also passing judgement.

It's a judgement on their mental state, but I'm withholding judgement on character. Although it doesn't reflect well on anyone's character to express hatred for billions of people because they practice a different religion.

I can understand your point about only voting for Christians, even though I don't agree with it. But do you really want to come down on the side of a person who says that all Mormons and Muslims are evil and bad for their country? Is that really the kind of person you are?

186 posted on 08/13/2011 10:58:05 AM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: GunRunner

You obviously do not grasp the Christian concept of what Evil is.

If you did, you would understand where we are coming from.


187 posted on 08/13/2011 10:59:45 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
So you don’t see how people who devoutly believe and practice an EVIL religion could possibly be evil themselves?

I find that most people, including Christians who believe in Levitical law, are good people despite their religion.

So while I believe Scientology is evil, I don't believe all, or most, or even a large majority of them, are evil.

188 posted on 08/13/2011 11:02:08 AM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: GunRunner

I find that most people, including Christians who believe in Levitical law, are good people despite their religion.

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Which explains why you don’t get it. If we were born good, then why is there evil?

One of the most damnable heresies is that man is innately good. We are evil to the core left to our own devices.

Can I ask if you grew up in any particular religion?


189 posted on 08/13/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Which explains why you don’t get it.

One of the most damnable heresies is that man is innately good. We are evil to the core left to our own devices.

That's your opinion. I don't subscribe to or endorse the concept.

I'm well versed in Christian theology, but don't believe that just because it's your 'religious belief' immunizes you from the basic reason and having to defend your point of view.

I do not under any circumstances think that your religious belief is beyond criticism. Quite the opposite in fact, especially when religious belief is used to foment hatred towards other people, or in caww's case, billions of people.

190 posted on 08/13/2011 11:19:35 AM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: reaganaut
Much interest among the disinterested...

Always find “I don't have a dog in this fight but here is my pup...” crowd funny...

191 posted on 08/13/2011 11:54:45 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Colofornian

The recent Warren Jeff thing does not help him either


192 posted on 08/13/2011 12:57:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: GunRunner; reaganaut
I said: I don't know how to characterize the statement. Now read it again. "The Statement" was what was being described.

(Nice parsing...after all, it is people who make statements...statements don't materialize on their own...unless you're talking about the book of Daniel in the Old Testament...where the ruler literally saw the "handwriting on the wall"...so unless you're talking about a "handwriting on the wall" situation...sorry...people utter statements)

Not sure if you're competitive yet with Clintonian kinds of parsing...like...that depends upon what the meaning of the word is is...

193 posted on 08/13/2011 1:09:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: GunRunner
Passing judgement is determining whether or not a person is a good person or a bad person.

I judge that your definition is MIGHTY limited.

194 posted on 08/13/2011 2:53:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GunRunner
Although it doesn't reflect well on anyone's character to express hatred for billions of people because they practice a different religion.

Not satisfied that EVIL is failing to get traction?

Ratchet it on up to HATRED then!

195 posted on 08/13/2011 2:56:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GunRunner
You can do whatever the hell you like. I don't care.

JUDGING from your posts; you DO care.

Perhaps you have a mental derangement that needs diagnosed...

196 posted on 08/13/2011 2:58:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GunRunner
...including Christians who believe in Levitical law,...

I just LOVE the smell of a good oxymoron in the afternoon!

197 posted on 08/13/2011 2:59:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GunRunner
So while I believe Scientology is evil, I don't believe all, or most, or even a large majority of them, are evil.

Your HATRED for Scientology is showing...

198 posted on 08/13/2011 3:00:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

I don’t think the Mormon Church made Mitt weird. I think he was just born weird.


199 posted on 08/13/2011 3:01:40 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: ejonesie22

Where’s Maggie when you need an unbiased reply?


200 posted on 08/13/2011 3:02:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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