Posted on 07/08/2011 1:44:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
...David Hyrum Smith...youngest son of...LDS prophet, Joseph Smith...returned to a mission to Utah...Reorganized church prophet, Joseph Smith III, who the letter was addressed to, must have regretted extending the call, writes Valerie Tippetts Avery, author of “From Mission to Madness: Last Son of the Mormon Prophet...” To young David...the mission...served to convince himself...that he had spent years angrily refuting — that his father...preached and practiced polygamy.
...David...Smith took his...skepticism...further, arguing against...dogma that man can only seek important further knowledge from a selected prophet. This doubt struck at a key doctrine of both churches. He wrote: “If faith unto salvation was an eternal principle and true, it could be discovered and demonstrated so as to be of general benefit as the law of gravitation or the rules of mathematics. But as it comes to us it makes us subservient to our falable (sic) fellow Man for eternal life, a most absurd proposition. But you again might speak God has revealed himself. But here again is an absurdity our fellow man brings us a revelation, and we are only guided by our faith in him. We do not know he has had this revelation and eternal salvation depends upon our faith in our fellow man and his revelation. Unjust and absurd.”
...David Smith...pointed out the inconsistency of ascribing belief based on one man’s claim of divine prophecy. For every Joseph Smith, he told his brother, there were Brigham Young, “Spiritualists” and Strangites” (an offshoot of Mormonism).
Young Smith’s ideas could be dismissed as heresy...by rigid believers...Any follower of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…should acknowledge... inconsistencies demanded…which are:
• ...belief is required without presentable evidence...
• ...for every claim of a Joseph Smith or a Thomas Monson, there are thousands of similar claims from prophets with hundreds of millions of adherents...
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I never claimed my academics saved me. It lead me out of Mormonism, it showed me that mormon claims were IMPOSSIBLE.
I was saved 6 months after leaving Mormonism by my faith in the Grace of Christ Jesus .
Their doctrine directs one toward all the saving any Evangelical needs.
Mormon doctrine starts with faith in Jesus Christ as God and Savior. You might not like that, but if believing in the One God has sent gets you to Heaven, then Mormons will be there.
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Proof you don’t get it.
Mormon doctrine directs one to the opposite of Evangelical salvation. It is a system of works. Having good families wont’ save you.
Believing in the One God (which Mormons don’t even do), and believing in the False Christ of Mormonism won’t save you.
Salvation only comes by grace through faith in the Jesus of the Bible.
Mormon doctrine doesn’t focus on Christ, it focuses on ‘the Church’ and the works of the person. It is always all about what that person needs to do to be ‘exalted’ (godhood).
How many times is Christ even mentioned in Sacrament talks through the year? Maybe a dozen? Last time I went to Sacrament meeting, He wasn’t mentioned at all and I have heard others echo the same experience.
The NT points out clearly that we have work to do.
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No it doesn’t. Show me verses.
And I find it amusing you would quote Iraneus since he wrote after the ‘great apostasy’.
Rather than quote the Church fathers, show me where in the BIBLE it says there is more than one heaven. Go ahead.
More mormon hypocrisy.
2/3s of the Bible is the OT. The OT is all about works, ask any Jew.
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And Christ came to fulfill the Law. Read Hebrews to see the place of the law and why it no longer applies for Christians.
Mark, Elsie is referring to the actual ‘revelation’ of the Word of Wisdom. It specifically mentions not eating meat except in winter and times of famine. It is the part of the WoW the LDS ignore.
I don’t think many of the posters are employed.
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And again with the snide comments claiming we don’t work, are lazy, or in it for the money.
Some of us are retired and some are self-employed and some post around work.
Well said.
Only Jesus Christ will judge my Christianity, not anyone else.
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We4ll the mormon jesus might be busy judging “Christianity”
But the LORD Jesus Christ of the Bible doesnt judge your “Christianity”
Just you...
God the Father is looking at you to see if He can see the Blood that the LORD Jesus Christ shed on the Cross
If you have not been washed clean on your sin in the Blood and made spotless,
you will be judged...
Ya see the blood of the lambs that was painted onto the door posts and lentels by the Hebrews brfore the Angel of the Lord passed over, was a type and shadow of the Blood of the Lamb that was slain on the Cross for our redemption...
When He sees the Blood He passes over and you are not condemned...
But if He doesnt see the Blood...
Finally!
I have a diagnosis!
Then who DO we blame for the evolution of the English (American, anyway) language?
It is either ignored or laughed at, in every thread I bring it up in.
It is the part of the WoW the LDS ignore. [R] (the part about meat)
It is either ignored or laughed at, in every thread I bring it up in. [Elsie]
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I’m thinking we need to do a vanity thread on the topic. Why aren’t more LDS vegetarians?
Thoughts?
{Well, I'm not s'posed to tell you this...but the real reason I know a bit 'bout ancient Mormonism is that I'm one of those Nephite disciples who "never tasted death" (3 Nephi 28:7). But when you mentioned roasted curelom, I just couldn't help it. It rose up within me a testimony 'bout how good it really is. And nobody would believe me if I said I used to have roasted and BBQ curelom in the days of old -- 'less I 'xplained my background a bit.}
I've been waitin' to submit my BBQ curelom recipe to that guy on PBS -- Steven Raichlin -- for his revised BBQ University book. And I've kept a frozen curelom or two all these years just to unveil it for such a nation-wide exposure opportunity. I guess now that I'm out of the Nephite closet, what the hell...I mean what the temporary spirit prison...This will be one time that when Raichlin eats his BBQ dinner right in front of viewers, that he'll have to wrestle for it with the cameraman, producer & anybody else on tapesite!
Sheesh...
Sheesh...
roasted curelom
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Yummm...now I want BBQ
That's what I've already said: you've simply reinforced it: That Mormons have substituted...
...an organization (the Mormon church) for the Greatest Living Organism ever -- Jesus Christ;
...mortal prophets for the Ultimate Revelation of God -- Jesus Christ (see Hebrews 1:1-2);
...a mortal hierarchy for the direction and executive leadership of the Holy Ghost;
...man-made temples in the place of the temple of the Holy Spirit created & recreated by our Lord...
Well, we get SO many replies in these threads that give only TWO choices to a dilemma, I hope my thinker comes up with more.
MORMONs like to BRAG that they are such GOOD law keepers, "I made a COVENANT with GAWD to obey his laws!", so why DON'T they?
1. Ignorance. They really don't know what god wants them to do.
2. The REQUIREMENT to follow that law has been explained away; either by Official MORMON teaching, or some, ahem, 'non-affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of LATTER-DAY SAINTS' website.
3. Doctor's orders to be a vegan. (Allergies, perhaps)
4. Hypocrisy.
MORMONs: why DO you eat meat in the summertime?
Yer curelom would probably tast MUCH better than THIS!
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2725/prehistoric-its-whats-for-dinner
being MUCH younger!
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