Posted on 07/01/2011 8:03:35 PM PDT by marshmallow
Johan Huibers just finished a building a new ark that is even bigger than his original one, pictured here.
It turns out somebody actually knows what a cubit is. Because one man converted the Biblical measurements to create a scale model of Noah's ark. And it's big. Really big.
Johan Huibers of the Netherlands had a dream in 1991 that Holland was flooding. Three years and $1.6 million later, Huibers has a shiny new tourist attraction. The boat, which is as long as football field and four stories high, will be opened to the public as a tourist attraction with a religious message.
The ship can hold 1,500 people, but not two of every animal. Instead, he's opted for life-size plastic replicas of elephants, giraffes and others to adorn the decks. The animals that will make the voyage? The ones that can fit into a petting zoo and an aviary, which will be held on the top deck.
Huibers previously built an ark half the size of his most recent project. He was able to use the money gained from entrance fees to finance the full-scale boat.
He hopes to sail down the Thames River and dock in London for the 2012 Olympics.
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No, you misunderstand. It was "go fer wood".
You have no problems with God being powerful enough to flood the world, but you get hung up on the logistics? If He can flood the planet, He can handle the animal problems as an afterthought.
I don’t remember the exact source, but it says that when the rainbow appears it’s as a reminder of the covenant, but not on a good way. It means that people has done a quite bad thing, and instead of a new flood it’s just the rainbow. And, well, they’ve done hugely bad things. I don’t know how that plays out at the end, but of course the covenant doesn’t mean they’re clear.
I know I shouldn’t nitpick on suck details, but here I go anyway. The current definition of species, most probably the one you’re using on that numbers, is from Linnaeus, XVIII century. One could safely assume that Noah didn’t have it.
Not even close to how it should look. He must have copied from a children’s book by A. Idiot.
Cruel, now I have that song running through my head. :-)
LOL! I've always thought they were singing "some long necked geese".
I don’t believe the Lord flooded the world, so I am consistent. I believe the Lord is powerful enough to do whatever he wants, but I don’t buy that he flooded the world, or the Ark saved every land animal, or that Jonah spent time digesting in a whales’s stomach and popped out whole, or people turned to salt. I think they are great stories with great moral meanings. I don’t take the old Testament too literally.
We all believe what we believe. All I did was do a reality check on how realistic it would be for Noah to save all of the world’s animal species on one boat, when there are literally hundred of thousands of land animal species.
I leave it to others to explain how this is realistically possible, beyond the “God can do anything” reason. Yes he can. Now if he left it to one man’s family to get it done, then how did that man’s family get it done?
True, but the species didn’t care what Noah knew or did not know. The solar system revolves around the sun and some believing it revolves around the earth doesn’t change the astronomical fact of physics. Our ignorance doesn’t change reality - just our perception of reality.
“Now if he left it to one mans family to get it done, then how did that mans family get it done?”
He helped?
That which is ignored is that all the inhabitants of the Alleged Ark are somewhere on the food chain.
First, wouldnt you need 4 of every animal? I Mean, what if one male or female of the species dies? PRESTO - instant extinction!
Genesis 7: The LORD then said to Noah, Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
Your scoffing has the story wrong.
Neat !!
You're correct that Noah wouldn't have the concept of a species. However, the definition of a species is wrapped around individuals that can mate and produce offspring that carry on the genetic strain. For instance, a poodle and a Saint Bernard can mate and produce a dog. They are in the same species.
A lion and a tiger can mate, and produce a tigon, but the creature cannot produce lions and tigers. Likewise, a mule is incapable of producing offspring. It's not as clean a distinction as I presented, however. Canis domesticus, the common dog, can produce viable offspring with Canus lupus, a wolf. But they are considered distinct species.
So Freedom was making the point that to reproduce a Blue Footed Booby, Noah would have to have had at least a pair of Blue Footed Boobies on board. (Scripture says he was supposed to have 14 of them.) Same thing for Red Footed Boobies, Purple Grackles, Purple Finches, etc. Since they are currently present on the planet, they must have been on the ark. If we accept these limitations, then they could not have fit on the ark as described in Genesis.
The Bible isn't clear on some of the details, so perhaps God differentiated the species based on a select group of progenitors, or the exact mix of species before and after the flood differ, and a lot of speciation took place after the flood.
I hope someday He explains how He did what He did.
You might be right. I was posting from a childhood memory...
Correct. They knew dad wouldn't shittim.
No, perhaps I wasn’t clear enough: the current concept of species is a human construction (not comparable to an astronomical fact of physics or anything like that). It can and will change once our understanding of life improves. And about Noah, there’s no way to say that “two of each” didn’t actually mean “two mammals, two birds, two lizards, two fish, etc. and we’ll resequence (evolve) the rest later”. The real point is, there’s no need for “species” to mean there what modern scientists say it mean. It wasn’t clarified enough. And it wasn’t written by nor for scientists.
Well, your response made me go look it up. Here is the first few verses.
A long time ago, when the Earth was green,
There was more kinds of animals than you’ve ever seen.
And they ran about and played while the Earth was being born,
And the loveliest of all was the unicorn.
There was green alligators and long-necked geese,
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees.
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you’re born,
The loveliest of all was the unicorn.
The Lord seen some sinning and it caused Him pain.
And He said, “Stand back, I’m going to make it rain!”
He said, “Hey, Brother Noah, I’ll tell you what to do,
Go and build me a floating zoo,”
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