Posted on 06/29/2011 5:46:53 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
After St. Peter died upside down on a cross in the Circus of Caligula and Nero, the surviving Christians obtained his body and buried him quickly nearby, on the steeply sloping Vatican Hill to the north of the Circus. That hill had become a makeshift graveyard four months earlier after the fire of Rome had killed so many residents of the metropolis that their loved ones began to use any open spot they could find on the roadsides radiating outside the city. . . .
When the tropaion of Peter was found underneath the high altar during archaeological escavations in 1941, there was great rejoicing, because it matched what Gaius had written at the end of the second century. Even more exciting was the fact that they found bones in what was clearly Peter’s tomb underneath the victory monument.
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You might want to actually look outside the Church of Iscool (population one) to actual Christianity. I showed you that Paul referred to himself as spiritual father on a number of occasions. Now as to holy:
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Holy says that:
Definition of Holy
Ho´ly
a. 1. Set apart to the service or worship of God; hallowed; sacred; reserved from profane or common use; holy vessels; a holy priesthood.
2. Spiritually whole or sound; of unimpaired innocence and virtue; free from sinful affections; pure in heart; godly; pious; irreproachable; guiltless; acceptable to God.
See? It's so simple even an Iscool can get it.
Or lunatic fringe?
Yes, your religion has you in bondage...I am not tied to Christ at all...I am IN Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ is IN me...
, in fact I receive Him in the Eucharist every time I attend Mass. It is the greatest blessing I could ever hope for.
It is not the greatest blessing you could hope for...The greatest blessing is to be a child of God knowing Jesus will never leave nor forsake you...
So, just as Paul calls himself father, it’s the same here. Besides in other languages one doesn’t necessarily call priest father. As a supposed ex-Catholic, you, iscool, should know that — or are you still searching for the Baptist group that will allow wine?
Jv: I thought all Scripture was self interpretive. Why, as a Christian can’t I just read it and instantly understand it?
iscool: If you would just read it, you'd know the answer to that...
Do you mean we should not read the bible but only interpret your interpretation?
Didn't you say that Apparently you are under the impression that the Bible NEEDS interpretation...Even tho it's written in 6th Grade English...At least my Bible is...?
Or do you mean something that should make sense to your teachings?
No thank you, I prefer Christ's teachings and that's what we Christians who believe that the Holy SPirit IS God do
Washington ,Oregon ,California and The Olmypic Peninsula Choose this day whom you will serve ! from March 2011
In 2005 the Lord gave me a vision of a mountain range rising up straight down Interstate 5 from Olympia through California . Yesterday I sensed even parts of the Olmypic Peninsula may soon disappear !Simple limerick -- there's about to be, dum-dum-dah, a catastropheThere is about to be
A catastrophe
A holocaust as never before from 2009 May
My children you are about to witness a holocaust (burned whole ) as never experienced or witnessed as Sennacherib (2 Chronicles 32:20-22) .There shall be flames of fire and chaos , a loss of lives in udder dread from the rebellious in heart , yet my chosen , my called and sent ones ( Apostles ) shall reside in the shadow of my wings and utter praises to their King of kings and Lord of lords .
That is udderly dreadful. Also you mispelt the last word with an “he” instead of a “ph”.
Given that throughout the entirety of the Old and New Testament it was stated by God over and over again that He was the Rock “and there is no other” it is entirely in context that the Apostles would have understood that Jesus was speaking of Himself.
Peter indeed had just acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ the Son of the living God. Therefore acknowledged that Jesus was indeed the Rock referred to throughout scripture.
It would be out of context to believe that after declaring throughout scripture God is the rock to then believe by one statement He changed that.
If you want reference to God as the Rock here are some verses.
Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."
1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"
1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."
To believe that Christ is the Rock is totally in context and to believe otherwise is out of context.
And it doesn’t start with Roman.
Your snarky comments get really old.
Tied to Christ is not a phrase I would normally use, I only used it in response to your accusation that I am tied to an organization rather than Christ.
Christ comes to me in the Eucharist and the Eucharist comes to me through the Church. That is the tie that binds me to Christ. This is how Christ is in me and I in Him.
Allow Jesus to tell you about it in His own words....
John 6:50-58 (New American Standard)
50 “This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 “I am the living bread that came down out of heaven ; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever ; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.” 52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat ?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 “For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 “This is the bread which came down out of heaven ; not as the fathers ate and died ; he who eats this bread will live forever.”
It seems to me the problem with your interpretation is that Jesus does not say, “Your confession is rock, or I am Rock.”
He says quite clearly to Simon, “Thou art rock” and “Upon this rock, I will build my church.”
No way to get around that, no matter how you interpret it, what language you use or if it’s little or big, masculine or feminine.
Paul never called himself father...Why do you always pervert the scriptures???
Paul says he sometimes was as/like a father...
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." (John 6:63)
To feed on the Bread of Life is to believe Jesus' words and trust in him as the source of our life.
To eat Jesus' flesh and blood means to utterly depend upon him and the truths he teaches for sustenance and life itself.
But he's gone again in 20 minutes and then you have to come back to the 'Church' for another fix...
That's not bible Christianity...That's Catholic Church...
That one verse contradicts all of the other verses clearly establishing who the rock is (in your interpretation) and that’s what stands as the foundation for institutions in the RCC and you faithfully follow the error. To each his own I guess.
And the problem with your interpretation is that when Jesus says, 'you are a rock', he did NOT say upon you, rock, I will build my church...Jesus says 'you'...Then he says, 'this'...You and this are not the same thing...
Things that are different are not the same...
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