American Churches To Embrace 'Chrislam' On June 26, 2011

NowTheEndBegins ^ | June 23. 2011

[CynicalBear]

It’s dangerous to try to justify, explain away, or overlook the abominable attitude of today’s church leaders as regards the cooperation and so called “interfaith dialogue” between different religions.

Pope Benedict met leaders of non-Christian faiths in London on Friday (September 17, 2010) and stressed the need for dialogue among religions to foster peace. Britain’s Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and Khaled Azzam, director of the Prince’s School of Traditional Arts, also spoke.

Here are some excerpts from the pope’s speech:

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/17/text-excerpts-from-pope-speech-at-london-interfaith-meeting/

We can find article after article of not only the Catholics but every other denomination and religion promoting the same “interfaith dialogue” nonsense. If you justify, deny, or try to explain away the so called “cooperation” and acceptance of other religions you may want to try to explain how it relates to the following verse and other parts of scripture.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

If you don’t recognize the spiral religion is in today towards a one world religion in virtually every denomination you had better step back and think again.

[Cronos]

I am talking specifically about the false link of a "shiva priestess". specifically. That is incorrect as:

1. there is no such thing as a shiva priestess -- the shaivate purohits/pandits are still exclusively male Brahmins, even in the progressive states like Kerala
2. the woman in question was a Christian, an Indian Christian
3. She was wearing an Indian dress -- a sari
4. She was putting a tikka on the pope's head, no religious significance but a cultural one

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the ping, but I have decided to ignore any further comments from this thread. The issue is the rise of Chrislam, and there will be Catholic Priests whowill get involved with this demonic push. But the thread was heading in the direction of a Catholic dog fight and I’ve had my fill of Catholic bashing, so I didn’t want to pay any more attention to a thread headed in that direction, with a rabid defender going overboard.

[CynicalBear]

Yeah right, and Catholics want us to believe that the Aarti is nothing more then like a handshake or other greeting. NONSENSE, it’s a pagan ritual.

Aarti, also spelled arathi, aarthi (from the Sanskrit term Aaraatrik) is a Hindu religious ritual of worship, a form of puja, in which light from wicks soaked in ghee (purified butter) or camphor is offered to one or more deities. Aartis also refer to the songs sung in praise of the deity, when offering of lamps is being offered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarti

The word “aarti” has been derived from the Rig Veda, one of the earliest Hindu scriptures,

http://festivals.iloveindia.com/aartis/

The Pope was accepting a Hindu pagan mark and you can’t dance around and change that fact.

[Cronos]

Firstly -- do you know anything about Shaivite priest? If you did you would know that there is no such thing as a female Shaivite pujari/purohit

Secondly, this was a Christian Indian woman -- is she wrong because she was wearing an Indian dress (a sari)?

[Salvation]

I checked out all the churches that sounded Catholic — there were NO Catholic Churches — only the Old Catholic Church of America that is not in step with the Vatican — so they really aren’t Catholic.

Go back to the 50s and check my research, please.

[MHGinTN]

I will take your word for it, and be relieved. But priests like the one in chicoland where rev wrong spittles forth for satan’s agenda will doubtless embrace this demonic spectre.

[Cronos]

It originated as a Hindu ritual yes, but if you go to India you will see this now done as a form of giving thanks, like when they buy a new Maruti Suzuki. It's not to a particular deity, nor is it to worship the car, but to give thanks to whichever god the person wants.

In this case, the Aarti, the worship was to Jesus Christ, the Light of the World.

so, here an Indian Christian woman wearing an Indian dress (a sari) -- not some non-existent shiva priestess (a non-existent concept) -- she was worshipping Christ using an Indian ritual and after that she greets the pope.

[Cronos]

Also, your link has a number of incongruities: by a professing Christian Hindu woman. -- "professing Christian Hindu"? Hinduism is a religion, Indian is the nationality (or Bharatiya in Hindi)

Secondly, it says a "mark of Shiva", now a Shiva Tilak looks like

three horizontal bands and one single vertical. And no, that did not happen.

So there are quite a few inconsistencies...

[Cronos]

From US Mission frontiers

The Kingdom of God is more than the Church, local or global. The work of God is bigger than the work of the Church. We Protestants lack a theology of the Kingdom as the broader context for our theology of salvation. ..

Why couldn’t we have used bhajans instead of Western liturgy? Why couldn’t we have built temples and mandapams (covered rest areas in front of a temple)? Why couldn’t we cite great Hindu poets? To do so would be to acknowledge the greatness of God.

Why can’t Christian men wear the veshti (skirt­like cloth) and Christian women the tilak (decora­tive dot on the forehead)? Why can’t we be vegetar­ian, as God had ordained in the original creation (cf. Gen. 1:29)? Why do we have to have pastors and bishops and elections and committees for everything under the sun? There is no reason the Indian church cannot be Indian, or “Hindu” in the cultural sense.

But the Indian Church is a Western­ized community, from dress to worship style to the way we organize ourselves. It is the burden of our past. We cannot escape it. Yet we do not have to drag others into it. We can rejoice that followers of Christ might yet be freed from the cultural entrapments of the missionary era. We ought not seek to replicate the Western church in India. It just doesn’t fit the culture—and vast numbers will never join it.

The Key points are these:

1. But the Indian Church is a Western­ized community, from dress to worship style

2. We can rejoice that followers of Christ might yet be freed from the cultural entrapments of the missionary era.

3. We ought not seek to replicate the Western church in India. It just doesn’t fit the culture—and vast numbers will never join it

The key point is the message of Christ, not making people non-vegetarian or making them wear Western clothes etc

[Northern Yankee]

Exactly right.

I know that St. Thomas Aquinas and Bishop Fulton Sheen have said the same thing in their writings.

[cradle of freedom]

Thank goodness there are more people who are on to this and are willing to talk about it. It no longer is just quickly dismissed as a conspiracy theory. I know there are many eccentric offshoots of the globalist theories but most of them, at their core are about the plan to have a one world government. With a supra-national state like the European Union, it is not just the eccentrics who are saying that there is something to this. And why shouldn't we not believe that there would be people so power hungry that they would want to control the world? Isn't that what Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar and many other conquerors sought to do? The difference between the conquerors so familiar in our history books and the one world government conquerors is the method that they use. The conquerors that we all read about in history class were military conquerors, they used their military skills to conquer nations. The one world order conquerors are stealthy, using politics, finance and misinformation to rule from within.

You have got to read “Hope of the Wicked” by Ted Flynn. It is the most thorough and reasonable account of the two hundred year plan for world government. It puts so many parts of world history and American history in perspective. I have read several books on the subject but this one is the best as it fills in all the blanks that some of the others missed.

[cradle of freedom]

I would be curious to know which publisher published Warren's books? Was it a religious publisher or was it a well known secular publisher.

Warren is beginning to take on the appearance of the religious version of a RINO — just as a RINO uses just a sprinkling of conservatism-lite to fool the conservative voters, so the worldly ministers who want to be popular and rich water down the Christian message to become powerful and wealthy.

[Genoa]

Purpose Driven Life was published by Zondervan, publishers of the NIV Bible.

[geologist]

Social justice, social studies, socialist programs is a whole world of off shoots, and is growing like Topsy. We will drown or choke on these programs.

Enslavement is not my idea of a good life. If we do not teach the youth, the truth of the power and abuse of government in History and the downfall of the most prosperous and civilized nations, in the world.

From corruption, and seizing of power within and the following total oppression and suppression of the peoples.

First they destroy all good systems, belief in God, the family units, the ability to work and provide for their needs, marriage, adding deviate programs and abortion, Aids is essentially ignored today, and how it is passed from person to person, etc. It is a game ... a dangerous game, riding bareback!!!!!!!!! STUPID DELUXE!!! IGNORANCE!!!

Astounding! ... the situation we are in now. And mostly we sit passively and rather quietly. This is wholly inadequate.

BRAINWASHING! IN EVERY AREA OF LIFE.

God help us in our day, in Jesus name, amen.

The young people are largely a product of progressive liberal socialist teachings, under our very noses.

We have the power of prayer. Nothing is impossible for God.

[cradle of freedom]

We have to be looking for ways to counter the all-pervasive leftist propaganda. Some months back there was a discussion about good classic kids books that are wholesome and do not carry any tinge of leftism. Various people contributed to a list of such books. Perhaps it is time to get back to this topic, to re-enforce anything that has a positive value in our culture. We need to be reinforcing our traditional values by pointing things out when we see them. Anything that has a positive value should be promoted, whether it is wearing an American flag tee shirt, reading to your kids from wholesome books, taking them to church etc. We also have to watch out for institutions that have been penetrated by the left and we have to speak out to other parents, neighbors and grandparents.

Are there any Christian groups that provide lists of good books and movies etc. This may be before your time, but there used to be an organization called the Legion of Decency that reviewed movies for content. Is there a similar organization today? I hope the churches get together and come up with some comprehensive plans to counter the subversion that is going on. Why is is that evil people are coming up with all sorts of far reaching ideas while we are just struggling to play catch up?

[geologist]

Good is ... difficult and almost impossible. The teens are a time of youth moving in more independence, and away from their parents to a degree, or into rebellion, etc.

The music of the day is always different versions of being largely satanic. full of angst, kill the police, and do what feels good. Sorry, but teens do go adrift during this time often. Not all, not all, but many.

Jars of Clay and a few Christian singers have good music. The world is filled with vile and evil. (Have you noticed evil is live spelled backwards, and vile is in the category with evil? (just a side note). Language is powerful and is hugely subliminal..

Today “good” which I love ... is considered boring, in movies, literature, songs, reading material in general, even the Internet is filled with porn, and other bad (to my mind stuff). And TV is altogether sin filled and shapes people;s thinking, and inures them to being shocked by all the sin occurring on the programs.

Look at the absurdity of same sex marriage. Same sex couples have been living together for years, if they desire they can leave all their possessions to their partner with a will........: so why all this hullabaloo about getting married? To tear down the family, the home and to teach anything goes, including pedophilia, etc.

We have lost our compass. God's word is our guide and we are allowing it to be suppressed and hidden from the public eye. Now Islam is entering the churches.

We are in a mell of a hess!!!MOO

God help us in our day, in Jesus name amen.