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Catholic Bishops Resist Calls for Major Changes in Policy Addressing Child Sex Abuse
KansasCity.com ^ | June 16, 2011 | Judy L. Thomas

Posted on 06/21/2011 7:24:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops on Thursday resisted calls for major changes in their child sex abuse policy despite recent cases involving priests in Kansas City and Philadelphia.

Critics say those cases raise questions about whether some bishops are even following the policy, which was crafted nine years ago to address the sex abuse crisis that was rocking the church.

The critics reacted swiftly after Thursday’s 187-5 vote, which approved a few revisions, including listing child pornography as a violation of church law.

“We are dismayed that the new policy is almost identical to the current policy, despite horrifying recent evidence in Kansas City and Philadelphia that the church’s current policies are dangerously lenient and full of loopholes,” said Terence McKiernan, president of BishopAccountability.org, a group that operates an online database of accused priests.

“The policy needs to be overhauled. This is a squandered opportunity and a disaster for children, not only in the United States but worldwide,” he said.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/16/2955810/catholic-bishops-resist-calls.html#ixzz1PxzrhOa3

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To: D-fendr

It’s been the habit of RCs on these threads for years to declare victory when the have been shown to be in error and without a rebuttal.

The trend continues.


101 posted on 06/23/2011 9:52:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

My “non-response is noted?”

Here it is again:

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When someone is determined to believe something they have made up, there is no point in discussing anything.

Anyone else, feel free to get some REAL information about what it is, what it means, what the ramifications are, and whether the statements here are accurate. Or not.

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That is not a non-response. It is a refusal to engage in a fruitless discussion with anyone who cannot face reality.
It is an invitation for observers to get accurate information for themselves, instead of relying on hysterical hyperbole. When someone feels a need to characterize that as a non-response, that characterization becomes a “tell.”


102 posted on 06/23/2011 10:01:28 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
May all our sons grow up to be men of Christ - strong, adult and not afraid to smack down the wolves among the sheep.

Men are commanded, not asked, to act as strong leaders ready to give their lives for their wives and by extension their families. I don't see how being repressed by a bunch of priests as they abuse children fits with that.

Eph. 5:25 Husbands love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,

Where is the love of your family that allows deviants to prey on your children or your neighbors child. Men need to stand up and act like they've been told to act.

103 posted on 06/23/2011 10:04:24 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
Anyone who watches the DVD, "Deliver Us From Evil," cannot help but feel sorry for the emasculated, defeated fathers of these victims. They are in anguish, knowing they've forsaken their Christian duty to protect their families while wolves have destroyed their children. They are broken men.

"DELIVER US FROM EVIL"

104 posted on 06/23/2011 10:12:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne

I didn’t “make something up,” so perhaps you’re talking about RC apologists who look to Wikipedia for facts and deny their own church documents.


105 posted on 06/23/2011 10:18:38 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Anyone who takes your posts seriously, is not someone that could be said to be limited by facts.


106 posted on 06/23/2011 10:49:02 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

Snark is not a sound defense of a person’s faith. Sadly, it simply reveals a lack of Scriptural understanding.

Pray for it.


107 posted on 06/23/2011 10:53:14 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

LOL! Sure.


108 posted on 06/23/2011 10:54:28 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Because CS is not the problem. The problem is the sinfullness of human pride, lust, deception, greed, and plain evil.

As frustrating as it is and this frustrates me in civil and criminal law as well at time, any simple steps do have to respect the due process of the accused and the presumption of innocents.

It is hard to stomach I know. But I personally want no guilty party to have a ground for appeal based on sloppy leg work and abuse of the above. When convicted whether under canon or criminal law I want the conviction to stick. I want the penalty to be the highest allowable under law. Yes I know justice must be tempered by mercy but I think mercy is not hindered by appliation of right justice.


109 posted on 06/23/2011 10:58:54 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
They are in anguish, knowing they've forsaken their Christian duty to protect their families while wolves have destroyed their children. They are broken men.

My heart is with them. We all fall short.

110 posted on 06/23/2011 11:07:38 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
CS is "still in effect," and it most certainly does prevent victims and their families from going to anyone other than a member of the church with the accusations, under penalty of excommunication.

That's the RCC with it's intimidation and control tactics. These victims/families/friends should just walk away from this hell bent church and it's tactics as Jesus is waiting for them to learn of HIM/His Word.

In every way the judge is to remember that it is never right for him to bind the accused by an oath to tell the truth.

Right from the master of lies himself. There is no way, anyone with a mind of their own, would be a part of such deception.
111 posted on 06/23/2011 11:58:00 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: Petrosius
Whenever a complaint is received by an Archdiocesan official that a cleric has sexually abused a minor, the complainant, or, if the complainant is a child, the complainant's parents or guardians, will be strongly urged to report the allegation immediately and directly to the appropriate District Attorney's Office.

Why doesn't the official make the call to the DA himself on behalf of their wounded sheep?
112 posted on 06/23/2011 12:05:53 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"That is a a laughable and ignorant PR line put out by Rome to convince the world everyone is as tawdry as they are."

Well, you are certainly an expert on laughable and ignorant PR, but you missed the mark on this one. Oh, well. Hate is a leading cause of myopia.

Qui Bono ( for all of you fake doctors, fake jnurses, fake moms, fake ex-Catholics and fake war-hero NCOs that means for whom the benefit). In spite of the faux outrage and concern for the victims the chief benefactor of these continued attacks on the Church are those whose social agendas a opposed by the Church. Communists, Nazis, pro-abortionists, gay rights groups, euthanasia supporters all benefit from your continued screeds and falsifications so your true agendas and loyalties are easy to see and that you posing as conservatives is itself only a laughable and ignorant PR trick.

113 posted on 06/23/2011 4:33:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: lastchance; Dr. Eckleburg
"You keep posting misinformation after being corrected time after time. Why is this?"

It's what the other Dr. (Dr. Goebbels) recommends when you don't have the truth on your side.

114 posted on 06/23/2011 4:37:27 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

There must be a big dent in that table by now.


115 posted on 06/23/2011 5:01:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wikipedia is self edited and self contributed. On matters Catholic it is actually quite accurate. I’ve double checked them numerous times.


116 posted on 06/23/2011 5:02:48 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Prove that it prevents victims from going to police. You persist in this misinformation. We all know the word for a person who engages in such persistance but the mods hate honesty in this forum so you get away with it.

I wish we could call a spade a spade.


117 posted on 06/23/2011 5:07:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Petrosius

That explanation makes too much sense. Please don’t let it happen again.


118 posted on 06/23/2011 5:09:02 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: metmom
Galatians 6:7-9

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

In other words, metmom, what goes around, comes around, which is a vast consolation to me when I consider some of the posts on the RF. Payback will indeed "suck" as it was so crudely put in your post.

119 posted on 06/23/2011 5:45:16 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: lastchance

Careful, one of the “usual suspects” accused me of racism when I used that phrase.


120 posted on 06/23/2011 5:47:47 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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