Posted on 05/28/2011 10:55:47 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
Bible prophecy may have a bad name in the light of Harold Camping's misguided date-setting, but the biggest sign of the end may have been overlooked in all the rapture hysteria of last weekend.
Once again, we've seen the U.S. hit with a series of deadly superstorms following Barack Obama's pledge to return Israel to pre-1967 borders.
Just days after Obama insisted Israel must give up lands it won through military victory with its enemies, some 200 people were killed by a tornado in Joplin, Mo.
There's a pattern here.
We saw it in Katrina, when George Bush forced Israel's withdrawal from Gaza. In fact, as everyone from Israeli rabbis to U.S. senators have noted, it seems to happen every single time the U.S. pressures Israel to divide the land.
The phenomenon was best documented by Bill Koenig, author of "Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
THANKS MUCH for all your very wonderful work hereon.
I greatly appreciate your candor, your humility and your fine Biblical understanding.
Your capacity to cooperate with God maturing and expanding you into HIS IMAGE is also very touchingly impressive, to me.
PRAISE GOD.
As you know, I agree.
INDEED.
Well put.
I’m not aware of any of my close buddies hereon lying hereon.
(which I put a great deal of stock in because the pro-Israel parts of the country are the ones being hit with these storms and because the Arabs and the Euros are getting off scott free)
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(which I don't put a great deal of stock in because the pro-Israel parts of the country are the ones being hit with these storms and because the Arabs and the Euros are getting off scott free)
I apologize for the error.
When you or I say replacement theology is a satanic lie we mean the lie is that the church replaced Israel.
When Matchett-PI says replacement theology is a satanic lie he means that The Church replaced Israel and our understanding of the role of Israel is a satanic lie that came up with the derogatory expression replacement theology.
Now in some future thread Matchett-PI will say I said replacement theology is a derogatory expression.
Some folks I’m more inclined to leave to their delusions than others.
Thx.
I don’t know a lot of details.
I do recall from that period that there was a big fuss . . . he was garnering ‘face’ as the Chinese would say—for ordering a review/study . . . some such of the whole mess. The Atomic Energy Commission had been discovered to have used human subjects—not with the subjects’ knowledge per se and certainlyi not with their informed consent for some horrific experiments.
I just thought you might well have run across some aspect of that or another.
Here’s the Wiki article on it.
It looks like the article is still in process with only partial documentation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radiation_experiments
Thanks for the information and link!
Wrong.
The "satanic lie" is told by those attempting to replace Jesus Christ with a "nation".
You know that to be my position since I've posted it to you many times, so stop lying about me while pretending that there is a lack of "communication".
From now on, if you comment on what my "beliefs" are on this matter, you will need to quote me directly, (instead of deliberately misrepresenting what I believe), and link to this MOST RECENT post of mine as proof that you are quotiing me directly:
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There is no distinction between Jew and Greek...there is only ONE olive tree - Old Testament to New.
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[Main Index] 11/04/2002 Entry: "Rockefeller New World Order Quote"
New World Order Terrorist "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller... Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
So forget about hard evidence - you won’t find any. Their biggest effort is in assuring that there is no evidence or that there is false or misleading evidence. They’re game is about maintaining plausible denyability, pure and simple. And if by some miracle, some hard evidence were to surface regarding the operations of these Illuminati assassination groups, they would simply cover it up. That is what they do - That is all they do. History shows that the hardest evidence in the world can be discredited in all of a second by the dark lying media and their cronies in the intelligence underground. A well placed comment such as, “What a Kook!” instantly resonates with the default position of ignorance in so many humans. Or they can simply cover it up with an emergency, “Terror Alert,” distraction to divert our gaze from that evidence. The fact is, is that they control the actual wreckage, seal it in a cordoned off and well guarded lab and simply alter the evidence, change it at will or destroy it if necessary. Its that simple - Its easy. And there is no one at a state or federal level who can challenge them. What this site is all about, is challenging people to question everything they are sure is true and everything they are sure is false. Then and only then can people escape the stultifying thinking which is plaguing the humankind. If you don’t challenge your prejudices and ignorances you are more likely to be believing a complete lie and/or attacking the last remaining vestige of truth, than vice versa. Sometimes details are important - Sometimes not. Go and try to get tape recorded evidence of the many covert illegal dealings that take place during these industrialist feeding frenzies - It’s not going to happen. Their principle effort is in guaranteeing no possibility of evidence. There will always be insular layers of intermediaries between their issuance of assassination orders and the lowly ex or current special forces unit who will carry out the hit. And even if the actual assassins were to ever get caught, deniability would of course still be maintained by any member of the conspiracy who is just two cells of distance from the other. This tertiary cellular nature of their organization structure is identical to the way terrorist cells are organized. I am careful to make the truths of these matters explicit whether or not there was a tape recorder there to catch the evidence. The truths in these articles are fundamental, and are beyond any laughable notions of some fraudulent journalistic integrity. Journalism is dead. There is no integrity. It is a fascist society and the pigs who own the media are in on the scam. So in America it is ludicrous to excoriate someone claiming they may not have verified all their facts. In America there cannot be any expectations of a journalistic standard which simply does not exist. My work is beyond their definitions of “journalistic standards” and empirical scrutiny because there are but few journalists who have the breadth of education, travel, and experience as I do. And, because I deal in the realm of the, “Paradigm Shift,” where anything is possible. Case in point my life. - Weather or not there was a tape recorder to pick up Heir Rockefeller’s kind offerings to the world (sarcasm) I challenge anyone to prove that Rockefeller DIDN’T make the comment. Because all the evidence is screaming out that the is such a private globalist conspiracy, and it is right up in our face every day. You need only examine 40 years of our world to know that these Bilderbergers said those things. Whether it was said in one sentence or across a broad range of handshakes. Whether it was conveyed with a blink of the eye, an understanding or a pat on the back, or explicit verbal instructions, make no mistake about it, when this “Old Boy” network gathers in their secret chambers their objectives are as they always were, as they always will be - To conspire to tighten their grip onto power at any price. voxfux Viewer Commentary: 35 comments I've seen this quotation before. It's on the Money Masters site on this page. http://www.themoneymasters.com/article.htm The authors of this site also produced a video concerning how money is created and the motives of the International Bankers. Personally, I've not seen it but do know one Monetary Reform advocate who has and have been told it is outstanding. Some commentary posted here adds credibility to that claim. "I endorse the video because people should know what is happening. Dr. Malachi Martin, former Professor at the Pontifical Biblical Institute and a close associate of Augustin Cardinal Bea and Pope John XXIII; author of: The Windswept House; Vatican; The Keys of the Blood, and numerous other books As you know, I am entirely sympathetic with the objectives of your Monetary Reform Act....You deserve a great deal of credit for carrying through so thoroughly on your own conception, which is I think somewhat different than mine...I am impressed by your persistence and attention to detail in your successive revisions... Best wishes. Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate in Economics; Senior Fellow, the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace. " http://www.themoneymasters.com/viewcim.html As well, the site as a whole is also very informative and excellently produced. They discuss many things that appear to be happening right now. One is the introduction of diseases and depletion of basic necessities to areas where resources are rich and the population is simply "in the way". One region mentioned is South Africa. Two years ago I was given an article which gave the statistics concerning the spread of Aids throughout that country. At that time some sixty odd percent of (native) women under the age of thirty were testing positive for the HIV virus. What that implies is that offspring from the majority of natives in that nation are likely to develop the Aids virus within the next decade, or (assuming any of these children live long enough) at very least pass the disease on to subsequent generations. Not long ago I was given information about the unnatural qualities of the disease itself, specifically, that it had mutated so as to alter it's genetic structure three times within the last fifteen odd years. Apparently it is the first disease on record to be doing that which raises the possibility that it may be artificially created. Given the statistics concerning South Africa and the resources there is it so far fetched to suspect the disease may have been introduced to specific groups within the region for the purpose of having them "remove themselves" to serve the goal of greedy men? Before answering that it should be pointed out that the tactic has been used before, and in North America to be exact. Once the ruling classes of the European nations determined that the native population of North America had little or no resistance to diseases well known on their own continent people who were already close to being disenfranchised in their homeland (tenant farmers working lands which had gone bad, unemployed factory workers, criminals–anybody who was now "useless" to the ruling elite of nations such as England, France etc.) was shipped over here with promises of "free land" to work. Here in Canada that "free land" turned out to be the Great Canadian Shield" (near to Kingston, Ont.), basically a bed of rock not capable of sustaining any crop of real worth. Their transport here was paid for by the same elite who placed them on vessels formerly used as slave carriers amid conditions so horrendous that about thirty percent of the "immigrants to be" died in transit. Did these people really care that diseases carried by these people would infect and weaken an entire population? Moreover, did they care that once they realized the scope of the effect this migration was having on both their lands and their overall health that a long and bloody war which decimated the population of the different tribes and whic has sullied relations between the races to this day would begin? No, they didn't. That, was in fact, the long term goal. The fact that families with names like "Bush" and "Rockerfeller" controlling so much of our real wealth today proves that goal was met. History repeats itself. It does so because people have never changed; only the technology has advanced. http://www.themoneymasters.com/ Brian
by David Rockefeller
VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: Once in a while I’ll throw an article like this into the mix to test our critical processes, to challenge our fraudulent notions of the necessity of evidentiary findings vs the extrapolated and reconstructed “real” history. Since the rise of information and communication technology we have witnessed the death of real evidence. And the birth of a new meta evidence. The sham state of journalism proves this. In a world where the same people who attack the towers, bomb the nightclubs and murder the Senators are the same people who sweep down moments after the blasts and crashes to “Secure” the crime scenes, extrapolation is really all we have left.
Wow, now I am confused. I know that the Church is the body of Christ. Are you saying the Church Is The Lord Jesus Christ?
I may be seeing where Gagdad Bob's book is heading now and I guess I do not have to finish it. I am a slow reader BTW.
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There's an assertion at 0:53 into this youtube that David Rockefeller's book "Memoirs" includes an admission that "he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a NWO. [Turn the volume off of the horrid music backtround!]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldXTP_q8iaQ
It's from Chapter 21 titled "PROUD INTERNATIONALIST" on page 405--photo'd on the youtube.
Here's the quote retyped from that video's book page:
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Another quote on the video has the citation: "David Rockefeller speaking at the United Nations Ambassadors' dinner. [Sept. 23, 1994]:
"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long...We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order."
There's a video here of George Bernard Shaw stating on a FOX NEWS VIDEO the below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lsX4GBXE0&NR=1
"I don't want to punish anybody--but there are an extraordinary number of people whom I WANT TO KILL. I think it would be a good thing [The Marsha Stewart Depopulation philosophy???] to uhh make everybody come before a properly appointed board just as he might come before the incom tax commissioners. And say every 5 years or every 7 years... and say, Sir, or Madam, Will you be kind enough to justify your existence. If you're not producing as much as you consume, or perhaps a little more, THEN, clearly we cannot use the big organization of our society for the purpose OF KEEPING YOU ALIVE BECAUSE YOUR LIFE DOES NOT BENEFIT US and it can't be of very much use to yourself."
The fox news person continues with the narration and 2nd quote:
And this was actually somewhat subtle for Shaw. He'd also foreshadow some of the worst atrocities in our planet's history [IMAGE shows Shaw doing what looks like a Hitler salute.] He wrote:
"I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly: in short, a gentlemanly gas--deadly by all means, but humane not cruel."
The Fox video continues speaking of Shaw talking about playing beautiful classical music as people were marched into the gas chambers. Also, that Hitler did not invent such ideas--he merely perfected them, in a sense.
From
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/david_rockefeller_quote_b593
This quote and ref:
"Everything is in place - after 500 years - to build a true 'new world' in the Western Hemisphere... And what happens if we don't pass NAFTA? I truly don't think that 'criminal' would be too strong a word for rejecting NAFTA." --Wall Street Journal October 1 1993
And on this video, David Rockefeller speaks on C-SPAN about population control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8&feature=related
He speaks of increased public health resulting in geometric population increases--resulting in increased energy use, pollution of air and water, cross border challenges, . . . How does he propose the UN handle such problems? . . . threatening the prospects of a decent life on our planet . . . The UN should work . . . toward 'stabalizing' the population.
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I realize you have been much better at ferreting out quality sources, vetting them and presenting them.
For most of the last 45 years, I've studied such things more for my own understanding and 2nd for waking people up. I've read so many leaders of the Western world for so long, I no longer have the least shred of a doubt what their values and goals are. So when a plausible quote passes before my eyes, I can be confident it's at least in the ball park of accurate if not very accurate. And, even if it proves later to be a hoax in terms of a specific person or event, speech or document--I can still be confident that there's a valid world leader truly saying the same thing; essentially the same thing or very close to the same thing somewhere at some time.
It is good to see so many other better quality researchers documenting such things in a quality way after your fashion.
Will any FREEPERS who were derisive, dismissive, hostile about the whole idea that Rockefeller or Shaw could say such a thing now learn anything from the quality documentation above? I doubt it. I can't recall a single case of that level and type of retraction or setting the record straight and certainly no apology about such things--in all my years on FR.
Yes, I understand about having one's cake and eating it too. I understand that it's been a bit cheeky of me to not provide top quality sources with top quality verifiable documentation. And, that it's then logical for at least some people to avoid believing my assertions.
However, on the other side . . . there has been avaialbe--easily available for quite some time a growing body of just such quality source quite verifiable.
I think for years, folks did not believe I was acting Director of any university Special Collections Dept involving the Allderdice collection. Finally, when I was able to track down where it had been moved to and find an inventory online, I posted it. Did it enlighten anyone--wake anyone up? I doubt it. Such minds are typically not open to enlightenment nor to being awakened from their willful blindness and slumber.
The MoneyMasters.com website no longer includes the Rockefeller Bilderberger quote. And even if it did, the "Money Makers" is itself a conspiracy theory.
In a DSL research project I would point all of this out since it goes to credibility.
After all these years, the Rockefeller Bilderberger quote remains unsourced:
The Freeper was chagrined to see that she discussed the subject of Waco but never said what was attributed to her.
Someone made it up.
A right winger might have made it up to tar Reno or Clinton. But it would have backfired - it would have discredited all of the Waco researchers who relied on it.
I think it is more likely that a left winger made up the quote in the hopes the right wing would seize it enthusiastically so that they could later use it to discredit our findings and us personally.
And so I shall remain very cautious about vetting sources.
And I avoid repeating things about gatherings which are shrouded in secrecy. Religion-wise, Scientology, LDS, Masons, etc. have secret gatherings. And naturally a lot of things are said about what goes on in secret and I take it all with a huge grain of salt - only God knows objective truth.
Isn't this obsession just strange? What could possibly be the motivation behind it? What could possess someone to state that God is lying when He says what He says about Israel?
What, or more specifically, who, is the source of the obsession? Who is it who also despises Israel and the Jewish people and has worked for centuries to kill every single one of them? Where does this odd obsession come from?
The Church is His Temple. (His Body) Eph 2: 21-22; 1 Pet2:5-9, etc. etc.
"I may be seeing where Gagdad Bob's book is heading now and I guess I do not have to finish it."
Why you would bring him into this is bizarre in the extreme. You really ARE confused.
Certainly there’s no doubt that you are wiser than I in many ways and certainly in that field of vetting evidence.
Thanks for the links. Will check them out.
It is clearly a tool of devious folks to spread half-truths and lies as disinformation to muddy the waters about true facts.
Thanks for the links. Will check them out.
I assume you have no trouble with the videos of the Shaw quote?
I don't watch videos at all because of my poor hearing.
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