Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie

vanity | 5/21/11 | marbren

[marbren]

Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.

A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.

The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.

This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.

So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.

[DaveMSmith]

The Catholics I know and am related to live good holy lives based on their churches teachings. I know I’ll be in heaven with them even if they worship differently here.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

there is a remnant, but as a whole Churches are empty ( especially in Europe ), men and women entering religous life is practically nonexistent ( therefore accepting obvious homosexuals to the priesthood ), there is no more missionary activity going on and the last Pope had a meeting at Assisi where he brought in all these pagan religous leaders and did not proclaim their need for faith in Jesus to them!! absolutely shocking, Jesus was in effect put on par with Mohammed and Bhudda! the Church no longer proclaims Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, He now is A way, A truth, A life. this is apostosy and surely proof Jesus is at the door!!!

[marbren]

Thank You Alamo-Girl, God’s Word does have the answers.

[bronx2]

Maybe Camping needs a seminar from Amy Semple and you to set him straight.

[marbren]

Thank You RegulatorCountry, The answer to my question was right there in front of me in God's word!

[GiovannaNicoletta]

there is no literal seven year tribulation period.

The books of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation all tell us that the tribulation will last for two periods of 42 months, or 1260 days. (Which are based on 30 day months)

The period will begin with the signing of a peace agreement between the 'man of sin', or the antichrist, and the nation of Israel:

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

The week is a week of years. In Daniel 12:11, it states specifically that from the abomination of desolation, there will be 1290 days. The 1290 days is when Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah will come to reign on the earth.

Daniel 12:9-12: And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end-time. Many will be purged, purified and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days. How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1335 days."

The sequence of the prophetic events from Daniel 9:12 and Daniel 12 is that a peace treaty would have to be struck 3.5 years before the abomination of desolation. Then the sacrifices are stopped, and the abomination of desolation performed in the Temple takes place where a person declares himself falsely to be God in the holy place of the Temple. Only after those events do the armies surround Jerusalem. Then exactly 1290 days later the Messiah comes visibly to reign on the earth. 45 days after the Second Coming, all the people of the earth are judged. During the 45 days, all governments and armies on earth are defeated and subdued.

So yes, Scripture is clear and unambiguous, that there will be a literal, seven year Tribulation.

Islam is the product of wicked, sinful men.

But Satan is the author of evil. How can evil still exist if Satan is bound and unable to influence men? If Satan is bound, then there would be no obstacle to people being saved. What a conundrum, huh?

we are in the thousand year period today, it just isn’t a literal 1,000 years.

We are? We're in the thousand year period today? Jesus said that during His thousand year reign, He would literally rule from Jerusalem and the earth would be restored to it's original form. Jesus said during His literal, thousand year reign, the lion would lay down with the lamb. Why isn't that happening? Jesus Himself said that His kingdom would be for a literal, thousand years. You're not allegorizing that text are you? Where do you get the authority to change the meaning of what God said and allegorize His words?

Scripture doesn’t contradict my doctrine, it’s what Christians have believed for 2,000 years. you apparently accepted this “pre-trib” rapture nonsense that was invented in the 19th century.

No, Christians haven't believed your doctrine for 2,000 years. The heresy of allegorizing Scripture into meaninglessness came several hundred years after the Church was established. And as far as this "pre-trib rapture nonsense" that you so smugly throw out, let me refer you to The Rapture and Glorious Appearing of Jesus Christ. Like I told someone else a few days ago, the attempt to use John Darby and anything from the "19th century" to discredit and deny Scripture is played out. You'll have to find some new material.

In the meantime, you can try to dismiss the Scripture that predates the 19th century by a couple thousand years, which details the event of the Rapture and the fact that Christ will take His bride off the scene before He judges the earth.

That should keep you busy for awhile.

[marbren]

Thank You Alex Murphy for the opposing view.

[Cvengr]

I like Vernon McGee’s response to the amillenial perspective where they believe Satan is bound in chains at present,......Vernon responded, that must be a pretty long chain, sortof how you tether a cow in a pasture,...where he can still roam over the entire Earth.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

LOL!!

That's perfect! I had never heard that. Thanks for the laugh!

[DaveMSmith]

There are whole new ways of worship like ustream and EWTN that aren't measured in church attendance.

Ministers who preach hatred of the Catholic Church breaks up families and is hardly useful. I would suggest an agenda is driving their doctrine in many cases.

[CommerceComet]

Thus, a further problem with replacement theology - you would have to throw out the entire Old Testament. Yet the Old Testament points to the New Testament, Jesus Christ.

Since no replacement theologian whom I know of is calling for the abandonment of the OT, your conclusion seems quite suspect. What in replacement theology would require that? Allowing our understanding of the OT to be shaped by the NT writers is certainly not an abandonment of the OT. The author of the book of Hebrews provides commentary on the Jeremiah passage that you quoted in Hebrews 8, although not your exact verse, and is perfectly consistent with replacement theology that God the Father is dealing with mankind differently than in the past.

In response to a couple of other posts, let me add this. While anti-Semites might latch on to replacement theology, not all (or even most) replacement theologians or people who hold to the theology are anti-Semite.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

the sacrifice was abolished at the cross, Jesus is our sacrifice.
Jesus is ruling now, in the hearts of the Body of Christ, the Church.
The Church is the new Israel of God, not the Hebrew people. The Holy place of God is the Church, not some rebuilt Temple in physical Jerusalem. Jerusalem ( the Church ) is surrounded by armies, read the paper!!
your problem is you don’t understand what the Church is and it’s importance according to the Scriptures.
and yes, your beliefs are a 19th century invention, just like Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists!!

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

i am Catholic and am witnessing the falling away right before my eyes.

[Salvation]

**tether a cow in a pasture,...where he **

Funny, I always thought a cow was a ‘she’ and a bull was a ‘he’

[bronx2]

Look, you must return to reality and see the harm Camping has caused is a product of Sola Scriptura and the reformation encouraging the prideful self worshiping of self instead of Jesus

Many of these posters worship their sinful selves or space cadets or the gospel of prosperity and refuse to sublimate their wills to the voice of the Spirit. The sin of pride is the original sin of Satan.

[Salvation]

I am currently reading this book. A much different story than Camping's

BTW, this book was written in 1881; you wouldn't believe how accurate it is!

 

Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life!"
— St. Thérèse of Lisieux

In the late nineteenth century, Father Charles Arminjon, a priest from the mountains of southeastern France, assembled his flock in the town cathedral to preach a series of conferences to help them turn their thoughts away from this life’s mean material affairs—and toward the next life’s glorious spiritual reward. His wise and uncompromising words deepened in them the spirit of recollection that all Christians must have: the abiding conviction that heavenly aims, not temporal enthusiasms, must guide everything we think, say, and do.

When Father Arminjon’s conferences were later published in a book, many others were able to reap the same benefit—including fourteen-year-old Thérèse Martin, then on the cusp of entering the Carmelite convent in Lisieux. Reading it, she says, “plunged my soul into a happiness not of this earth.” Young Thérèse, filled with a sense of “what God reserves for those who love him, and seeing that the eternal rewards had no proportion to the light sacrifices of life,” copied out numerous passages and memorized them, “repeating unceasingly the words of love burning in my heart.”

Now the very book that so inspired the Little Flower is available for the first time in English.

Let the pages of The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life fill you with the same burning words of love, with the same ardent desire to know God above all created things, that St. Thérèse gained from them. Let them also enrich your understanding of certain teachings of the Faith that can often seem so mysterious, even frightening:

• The signs that will precede the world’s end
• The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognize him
• The Judgment and where it may send us: heaven, hell, and purgatory
• Biblical end-times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

  Jesus commands us to be ever-watchful for his return, and ever-mindful that we have no lasting city on earth. The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is an invaluable aid to inculcating in your spirit that heavenly orientation, without which true human happiness cannot be found—in this world or the next.

[DaveMSmith]

Well sure — the lawless guilt-free pastors are drawing to mega-churches.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

amen, amen, amen. these people don’t realize the Holy Spirit has guided and preserved the Church for 2,000 years and the Holy Spirit isn’t the author of confusion!!!!!!!!!!

[marbren]

What is your opinion of what Obama is doing to Israel today.

[OpusatFR]

“I agree, pew sitting fire insurance does not work.”

LOL! That’s just funny!