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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
there is no literal seven year tribulation period.

The books of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation all tell us that the tribulation will last for two periods of 42 months, or 1260 days. (Which are based on 30 day months)

The period will begin with the signing of a peace agreement between the 'man of sin', or the antichrist, and the nation of Israel:

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

The week is a week of years. In Daniel 12:11, it states specifically that from the abomination of desolation, there will be 1290 days. The 1290 days is when Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah will come to reign on the earth.

Daniel 12:9-12: And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end-time. Many will be purged, purified and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days. How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1335 days."

The sequence of the prophetic events from Daniel 9:12 and Daniel 12 is that a peace treaty would have to be struck 3.5 years before the abomination of desolation. Then the sacrifices are stopped, and the abomination of desolation performed in the Temple takes place where a person declares himself falsely to be God in the holy place of the Temple. Only after those events do the armies surround Jerusalem. Then exactly 1290 days later the Messiah comes visibly to reign on the earth. 45 days after the Second Coming, all the people of the earth are judged. During the 45 days, all governments and armies on earth are defeated and subdued.

So yes, Scripture is clear and unambiguous, that there will be a literal, seven year Tribulation.

Islam is the product of wicked, sinful men.

But Satan is the author of evil. How can evil still exist if Satan is bound and unable to influence men? If Satan is bound, then there would be no obstacle to people being saved. What a conundrum, huh?

we are in the thousand year period today, it just isn’t a literal 1,000 years.

We are? We're in the thousand year period today? Jesus said that during His thousand year reign, He would literally rule from Jerusalem and the earth would be restored to it's original form. Jesus said during His literal, thousand year reign, the lion would lay down with the lamb. Why isn't that happening? Jesus Himself said that His kingdom would be for a literal, thousand years. You're not allegorizing that text are you? Where do you get the authority to change the meaning of what God said and allegorize His words?

Scripture doesn’t contradict my doctrine, it’s what Christians have believed for 2,000 years. you apparently accepted this “pre-trib” rapture nonsense that was invented in the 19th century.

No, Christians haven't believed your doctrine for 2,000 years. The heresy of allegorizing Scripture into meaninglessness came several hundred years after the Church was established. And as far as this "pre-trib rapture nonsense" that you so smugly throw out, let me refer you to The Rapture and Glorious Appearing of Jesus Christ. Like I told someone else a few days ago, the attempt to use John Darby and anything from the "19th century" to discredit and deny Scripture is played out. You'll have to find some new material.

In the meantime, you can try to dismiss the Scripture that predates the 19th century by a couple thousand years, which details the event of the Rapture and the fact that Christ will take His bride off the scene before He judges the earth.

That should keep you busy for awhile.

126 posted on 05/21/2011 9:40:20 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

the sacrifice was abolished at the cross, Jesus is our sacrifice.
Jesus is ruling now, in the hearts of the Body of Christ, the Church.
The Church is the new Israel of God, not the Hebrew people. The Holy place of God is the Church, not some rebuilt Temple in physical Jerusalem. Jerusalem ( the Church ) is surrounded by armies, read the paper!!
your problem is you don’t understand what the Church is and it’s importance according to the Scriptures.
and yes, your beliefs are a 19th century invention, just like Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists!!


132 posted on 05/21/2011 9:49:57 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
When asking which one of the 30,000 discrete cults Satan is advising today, don't forget to include Camping. It would go well if one read the bible with a sincere heart without seeking false rationalizations as "Replacement Theology" for the cause of Camping's fall from grace.

When you start down the path of Sola Scriptura you are walking hand and hand with Satan. Camping's tribulations are the result of SOLA SCRIPTURA and to deny that is to be spiritually bankrupt.

142 posted on 05/21/2011 10:02:23 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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