Posted on 05/13/2011 2:28:24 PM PDT by stfassisi
If we see an erosion of civility, piety, morals, and good order in every liberal democracy ever established, we should not find this particularly surprising. We have had ample warning.
“I pray for the day in which my countrymen are converted to the Catholic Faith in sufficient numbers that we will elect Catholic leaders and amend our Constitution to give Jesus Christ and the Church He established rightful place in our government.”
Sorry but no. We should not and will not amend the constitution to do that.
No,we’re not a Catholic country. It was designed that way by the by the pilgrims who had seen what happens when there is a state religion, where the citizens are taxed to support the church.
there can be good and bad religious rulers.
the article says that the ideal ruler is a monarch in a
catholic country. Henry the eighth, for instance?
Do you seriously believe that we don't have a "state religion" now?
I agree, too.
the constitution says that this country shall not establish a state religion. It doesn’t mean that we should be governed without reference to God.
“”It was designed that way by the by the pilgrims who had seen what happens when there is a state religion”
The pilgrims did not design anything and the puritans persecuted Catholics
“”Henry the eighth, for instance?””
He was anti Catholic in the end-a closet protestant
“Obviously the United States is not a Catholic country. A great many American Catholics have become so inured to that fact that they seem to place the authority of our Constitution above that of the Popes.”
Just as they should on matters of state. On matters of faith, look to the pope.
“I pray for the day in which my countrymen are converted to the Catholic Faith in sufficient numbers that we will elect Catholic leaders and amend our Constitution to give Jesus Christ and the Church He established rightful place in our government.”
FIVE Church-States that persecuted (or hindered) independent Christians:
(1) Roman Catholic countries
(2) Russian Orthodoxy
(3) Church of England
(4) Lutheran Germany
(5) Calvin’s Geneva
“”Sorry but no. We should not and will not amend the constitution to do that””
So,instead you get legal abortion,pornography and soon to be gay marriage and the destruction of the family... all protected under the constitution
The state religion taxes the citizens. We don’t: therefor we do not have a state religion.
what denomination is our state religion, then?
“”Just as they should on matters of state””
We exist in a secular state that has allowed immoralities in the realm of Economics and Social teaching.
Correct teaching in these matters can only come through correct teaching of faith.The State will collapse by not understanding this.
The collapse is already upon us,
WADR, I'll look to the Bible instead.
On matters of faith, look to the pope
WELL said!
Pity you don't understand that. The generically least-common-denominator protestant state religion has been supplanted by worship of the State Itself.
So while we’re restoring all this old stuff today’s Catholics are so ashamed of, how about taking a second look at total Biblical inerrancy?
This reminds me of the joke, “why do elephants paint their toenails red?” The answer goes: “so they can hide in the tomato patch.”
Huge elephants can’t hide themselves, very much like this lead article, Roman Catholics actually think their history of ruling hand in hand with European political leaders for over a thousand years can be hid? Their long history is blatantly obvious to everyone. Their trying to hide it is a farce.
They like to talk about the deplorable status of Christians here in the US, tying it to the church and state issue...while they are the main cause of it all. It is mainly due to the tyrannical rule of the RCC in Europe that the founders distanced themselves from anything that smacked of church and state government. Were it not for the RCC’s long history in Europe, Christianity would not have church and state thrown in our face at every turn.
“Just as they should on matters of state. On matters of faith, look to the pope.”
If it were only that easy. State has the disconcerting habit of overlapping faith! Consider:
The ethics and Christian consideration of the Just War.
The use of resources to assure a Christian attitude towards others’ needs.
What is our Christian responsibility to the poor?
Do Christians have a responsibility to use non-violence and withhold cooperation with a government committing offenses against Christian morality?
These aren’t “Catholic” concerns. These are concerns for every Christian.
I wish it were easy to determine what to do, when to follow and when not.
Rendering to Caesar is all well and good, but at different points, Caesar martyred a lot of Catholics who chose to follow Peter.
Catholics vote Democrat anyway, I don’t want democratic voters choosing our leaders, that’s one reason that I am here at freerepublic.
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