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Obviously the United States is not a Catholic country. A great many American Catholics have become so inured to that fact that they seem to place the authority of our Constitution above that of the Popes.
1 posted on 05/13/2011 2:28:25 PM PDT by stfassisi
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To: wagglebee; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ArrogantBustard; Running On Empty; ...
If, therefore, the rulers of nations wish to preserve their authority, to promote and increase the prosperity of their countries, they will not neglect the public duty of reverence and obedience to the rule of Christ. What We said at the beginning of Our Pontificate concerning the decline of public authority, and the lack of respect for the same, is equally true at the present day. "With God and Jesus Christ," we said, "excluded from political life, with authority derived not from God but from man, the very basis of that authority has been taken away, because the chief reason of the distinction between ruler and subject has been eliminated. The result is that human society is tottering to its fall, because it has no longer a secure and solid foundation.40

If we see an erosion of civility, piety, morals, and good order in every liberal democracy ever established, we should not find this particularly surprising. We have had ample warning.

2 posted on 05/13/2011 2:31:55 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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“I pray for the day in which my countrymen are converted to the Catholic Faith in sufficient numbers that we will elect Catholic leaders and amend our Constitution to give Jesus Christ and the Church He established rightful place in our government.”

Sorry but no. We should not and will not amend the constitution to do that.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 2:32:09 PM PDT by sigzero
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No,we’re not a Catholic country. It was designed that way by the by the pilgrims who had seen what happens when there is a state religion, where the citizens are taxed to support the church.
there can be good and bad religious rulers.
the article says that the ideal ruler is a monarch in a
catholic country. Henry the eighth, for instance?


5 posted on 05/13/2011 2:42:46 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: stfassisi

“Obviously the United States is not a Catholic country. A great many American Catholics have become so inured to that fact that they seem to place the authority of our Constitution above that of the Popes.”

Just as they should on matters of state. On matters of faith, look to the pope.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 3:00:43 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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So while we’re restoring all this old stuff today’s Catholics are so ashamed of, how about taking a second look at total Biblical inerrancy?


17 posted on 05/13/2011 3:18:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: stfassisi

This reminds me of the joke, “why do elephants paint their toenails red?” The answer goes: “so they can hide in the tomato patch.”

Huge elephants can’t hide themselves, very much like this lead article, Roman Catholics actually think their history of ruling hand in hand with European political leaders for over a thousand years can be hid? Their long history is blatantly obvious to everyone. Their trying to hide it is a farce.

They like to talk about the deplorable status of Christians here in the US, tying it to the church and state issue...while they are the main cause of it all. It is mainly due to the tyrannical rule of the RCC in Europe that the founders distanced themselves from anything that smacked of church and state government. Were it not for the RCC’s long history in Europe, Christianity would not have church and state thrown in our face at every turn.


18 posted on 05/13/2011 3:25:42 PM PDT by sasportas
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Catholics vote Democrat anyway, I don’t want democratic voters choosing our leaders, that’s one reason that I am here at freerepublic.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 3:38:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: stfassisi

The Constitution does not speak of the separation of church and state; the separation of church and state was invented by the “progressive” and former klansman justice Hugo Black in a Supreme Court opinion in which he seized upon a single letter by Thomas Jefferson that was unlike anything else Jefferson wrote and its phrase “wall of separation.” As a klansman Black was staunchly anti-Catholic. What the Constitution does speak of is that there shall be no establishment of religion, with the Church of England clearly in mind. The result of this decision, as pointed out in earlier posts has been the deification of the state a la Hegel and now a reversion to the worship of the Erdgeist so that humans are seen as sacrifices to Gaia.


27 posted on 05/13/2011 5:41:33 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: stfassisi
Catholic governments can only exist when the vast majority of citizens are believing, practical Catholics.

The entire notion of an officially Catholic state is an invention of the 17th century.

The very notion of a unified nation state with a government as a distinctly delineated social force is more recent.

Create a Catholic society first. In a truly Catholic society, the state is a secondary and not entirely necessary consideration.

28 posted on 05/13/2011 5:50:10 PM PDT by wideawake
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Good article. Indexed it on my profile page.


51 posted on 05/14/2011 9:47:39 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: stfassisi
For, on the contrary, the Catholic Church has reiterated throughout her history that it is wrong for the Church, the State, or an individual to coerce belief in the Catholic faith. Here is just one example: "And, in fact, the Church is wont to take earnest heed that no one shall be forced to embrace the Catholic faith against his will, for, as St. Augustine wisely reminds us, 'Man cannot believe otherwise than of his own will.'"

True, though sometimes ignored in practice, as when Jews were given the choice of conversion or death.

However, for many centuries the Church proclaimed its duty to use physical, even lethal, force to ensure those who had once embraced the faith remained in it.

63 posted on 05/15/2011 2:56:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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