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Pastor Lies About Being a Navy SEAL, Confronted by Retired SEAL
gather.com ^ | May 10, 2011 | Stephen T. Allen

Posted on 05/10/2011 5:44:43 PM PDT by Gamecock

Pastor Jim Moats of Newville, Pa. once had a conversation with a supervisor about the Navy SEALs. He's apparently seen a few movies portraying the SEALs as well.

In the Christian Bible Fellowship Church in Newville, Pa., Pastor Jim Moats was apparently known as a Vietnam-era Navy SEAL. Moats was known to tell tales of his time as a SEAL to parishioners and family. His sons, both of whom served in Iraq, even made their dad a plaque honoring the SEALs and other Navy units. The plaque hung on Moats' wall.

His tall tales and this plaque had led to questions, and probably even tokens of gratitude. The Pastor was living the lie. That was until The Patriot-News sought out local, retired Navy SEALs to interview after the daring raid of SEAL Team 6 led to the death of Osama bin Laden.

Readers, including two real former SEALs, saw right through his bogus story. Retired Navy SEAL Don Shipley connected two of Moats' stories to the Steven Seagal movie "Under Siege" and the Demi Moore classic, "G.I. Jane." Maybe if Moats had seen "Navy SEALs" or "Under Siege 2: Dark Territory" his story would have more credibility.

Jason Ertola, a Navy SEAL from 1992-1996, said any SEAL could see right through Moats' fraudulent story. He also expressed outrage at men like Moats who "claim the honor that many good men have earned and died for." He also noted that bogus claims similar to Moats' have increased since the death of bin Laden.

Shipley confirmed that Moats was never a SEAL (and never even served in Vietnam) by accessing a database with the names of all SEALs. Shipley then confronted the Pastor with a phone call on Sunday night. Moats gave in and admitted he was never a SEAL, never served in Vietnam, but had served in the Navy.

Moats used the ruse as an ego-booster and said he was living his dream through his sons. He will explain himself to parishioners Wednesday night at the Christian Bible Fellowship Church.

Pastor Moats' lie is disrespectful not only to all current and former Navy SEALs, such as Shipley and Ertola, but also to anyone who has served or is serving in the military, including Moats' two sons. Navy SEALs and others serving in the armed forces are the real heroes in this country, and there should be no issue with citizens pretending to be them. As long as they are 12-year-old kids. Not 59-year-old pastors with two kids of their own.


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To: count-your-change; Cronos
Vanity was the devil’s favorite vice in that movie, yes?

It worked in the garden...

121 posted on 05/11/2011 3:56:17 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; american_ranger
I don't think God has drinking buddies.

Think again - Matthew 26:27-29

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Who wouldn't lift a glass with Jesus, God incarnate?

122 posted on 05/11/2011 4:03:50 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: US Navy Vet; Gamecock
The US Military Spec Ops Community is VERY small, so if you claim to be a...US Army Green Beret, USMC Force Recon, US Navy SEALs(or UDT), USAF ParaRescue or Forward Air Controllor or USCG Rescue Swimmer. You had BETTER have the “goods” or you WILL be found out.

Remember "Jesse MacBeth?"

123 posted on 05/11/2011 4:08:21 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Oh yes. Works just as well now too.


124 posted on 05/11/2011 4:17:17 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; count-your-change

True, and yes, though it was just a movie, that line rung pretty true. Right from the beginning, that’s our main problem! Gluttony, etc. we can handle, but pride is the road downwards. For this pastor the more I read about him, the more I feel sorry for his predicament and realise that any one of us could do something this stupid, starting small and it then snowballing


125 posted on 05/11/2011 8:28:38 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Gamecock
This is an interesting statement:

Newville pastor admits his tale of being a Navy SEAL was just 'an ego-builder'

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“We deal with these guys all the time, especially the clergy. It’s amazing how many of the clergy are involved in those lies to build that flock up,” Shipley said.
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Does anybody have any verifiable knowledge that clergy are especially prevalent fake veteran pretenders? It would be interesting to see a percentage breakdown of occupations. So many preachers I know are real veterans (like Dave Roever) that I find this statement hard to believe. Dave Roever also runs a sort of seminary or training camp for amputated and severely burned combat veterans to become preachers. I guess we know they aren't fakers.
128 posted on 05/15/2011 8:38:13 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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