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To: greyfoxx39
I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here. My wife didn't go to church yesterday instead she stayed home and watched church on TV, it was their general conference. I must say they hide their evil ways very well. As I watched I was moved by some of the talks.

It was obvious as I watched the people talking that they loved The Lord.

Now I guess I can't say which Lord they loved but one of them specifically mentioned the one born in Bethlehem, the one born of a virgin, the one who fed 5000, the one who raised the dead, the one who suffered in Gethsemane, who died on the cross, who was raised from the dead, the one who preached for 40 days after his death to his followers and eventually at the end of 40 days ascended to heaven.

I don't know which different Christ you are referring to but it seems like the one I know.

Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge. Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump.

I think my wife is the best person I have ever met and the best Christian too.

18 posted on 04/04/2011 12:10:49 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
We have seen you on these threads numerous times, so I won't waste time in replying point by point to your comment. I'm sure that there has been ample evidence presented regarding the difference of the mormon God and mormon Christ to that of Christianity presented, if you were interested in reading it.

I'm also sure your wife is a very wonderful woman and lucky to have your love.

Your comment, "if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump." is applicable as far as the "goodness" of some of the membership. Having been born and raised in, and lived in various mormon communities I have know some who were exemplary in their conduct, and also some who had the traits of some of the lowest examples in society. Being "good" and following a religion that is non-Christian does not lead to salvation.

I'm sure it has been suggested to you before that if it distresses you to see our posts, that you refrain from reading them.

19 posted on 04/04/2011 12:24:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: JAKraig
Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge. Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump.

If it was about "being good", then the LDS might have something. But The Lord does not grade on a curve. It is pass/fail. And only He provides the passing grade through what He did FOR us.

As for the testimony of those on TV yesterday. If their belief in what the nature of God is, is corrupted by the cult of MormonISM then all the "Bethlehems", "virgins" and "feeding thousands" are merely words. Either that, or they are ignorant of the "real" beliefs of the LDS church as set forth by Joseph Smith.
20 posted on 04/04/2011 12:29:25 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: JAKraig
There is no mormon bashing around here. What you may see are Christians pointing out the errors of mormonISM. The teachings of mormonism is vastly different from historical Christianity. The point of threads like this is to point out the deceitfulness of mormonism trying to masquerade as a legitimate Christian church when it really teaches things that are nowhere near Christianity.
21 posted on 04/04/2011 12:31:01 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: JAKraig
I don't know which different Christ you are referring to but it seems like the one I know.

Just a couple of differences.

Mormons believe Jesus and satan are brothers, both "begotten" of God and "Mrs God".

Mormons also believe that Jesus is a god (not THE God), and that anyone can become a god if they do the right things.

Christians do not believe Jesus and satan are brothers. They also believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh (not just A god). They don't believe we can become gods. There is, was and always will be only One God.

23 posted on 04/04/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: JAKraig
There is no mormon bashing, it is exposing mormonISM.
Which Lord? Good question.
The Jesus of the Bible - eternal.
The jesus of lds - created, progressed.
Born of a virgin?
This lds jesus was born after a physical contact with a god - intercourse.
The Biblical Jesus paid the price on the Cross.
The lds jesus suffered in the garden.
The Biblical Jesus is sufficient.
The lds jesus is not sufficient - after all we can do.
The bottom line: the lds jesus is not the Biblical Jesus.
The bottom line: lds do not worship the Biblical Jesus.
The bottom line: lds hang everything on the words of Joseph Smith - an adulterer, liar, thief, pedophile, flim flam man, shyster.......
31 posted on 04/04/2011 1:37:25 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: JAKraig
"I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here."

... Obviously, what you call "mormon bashing" is not. For that reason, it seems you do not understand. "I must say they hide their evil ways very well." ... We can agree on that. Evil is most effective when it appears as good. As the Apostle Paul wrote, "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." "As I watched I was moved by some of the talks." ... being moved is not the standard of judging truth, friend. "It was obvious as I watched the people talking that they loved The Lord." ... Sure. Which one? "Now I guess I can't say which Lord they loved but one of them specifically mentioned the one born in Bethlehem, the one born of a virgin, the one who fed 5000, the one who raised the dead, the one who suffered in Gethsemane, who died on the cross, who was raised from the dead, the one who preached for 40 days after his death to his followers and eventually at the end of 40 days ascended to heaven." ... Was He created or made or did He exist eternally as God? "Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge." ... now that you mention it, I agree. I suspect your emotional attachment to your bride has clouded your vision of what truth is. "Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump." ... Wow. Wrong. "I think my wife is the best person I have ever met and the best Christian too." ... I hope she is a Christian. If she is a Christian, she should come out from among them and be holy.

32 posted on 04/04/2011 1:38:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: JAKraig
I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here.

Sure you do!

MORMONism is a heresy of christianity and we no longer let it slide with it's lies and deceptions.

(Was I clear enough in my reasoning?)

64 posted on 04/04/2011 5:09:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here.

So you admit you don't know much history; eh?

Let me help a bit:

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
 

65 posted on 04/04/2011 5:11:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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