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1 posted on 03/28/2011 4:24:40 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; Quix; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; TSgt; Dr. Scarpetta; RnMomof7

Isn’t that special?

Out brave Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen go to fight for us and Rome sends Priests to “comfort” the wives and children left behind.

What a convenient setup for Priests who have a thing for vulnerable children!


2 posted on 03/28/2011 4:27:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

What do you do with a priest who has given his life to his ministry, when someone has made credible, but unprovable accusations against him? You send him into a ministry where you don’t risk the chance that he is a perv.

... if that’s what’s happening here.


3 posted on 03/28/2011 4:31:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Gamecock

The one thing Bishop O’Brien was sure to do was Punish Father Thomas Doyle ,bacause Fr. Doyle supported Abused children.
O’Brien Had Fr. Doyle dismissed from the military , 2 Years before Fr. Doyles retirement.


5 posted on 03/28/2011 4:32:57 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Gamecock
You can also read this:
WHY THE PCA IS NOT A DULY CONSTITUTED CHURCH

and Why Faithful Christians Should Separate From This Corrupt "Communion"

Oh, and I understand that the OPC considers the PCA to be borderline close to heretics (since the OPC view is anyone who doesn't worship Gresham Machen with them is a heretic)

what differentiates you PCA types from the OPC?

  1. Do you PCA types believe that Charismatic gifts (healing, talking in tongues) is still possible today?
  2. Do you PCA types have a liturgy?
  3. does the PCA have drama in its services?
  4. Does the PCA have liturgical dance in its services?
  5. Does the PCA like the OPC deal with dissent in a back-room manner?
  6. Do you allow singing with guitars, choirs etc. or just psalms?
  7. Do you hold to a literal 6 day creationism view?

What about the PCA view of Jews, Methodists, Pentecostals? Do you deny that the PCA just like the OPC considers these to be damnable heretics?

Is it true what they say about the PCA that

the PCA has the following beliefs (as shown on it's website www.pcahistory.org)

  1. A disbelief in the literal meaning of Genesis (there's a long-winded statement there, quite typical)
  2. A belief that many if not most miscarried and abortion victims (babies killed) go to hell,
  3. A belief that Methodists and Pentecostals are damnable heretics
  4. A belief that only Calvinism is pure Christianity
  5. A belief that sharing a meal with Jews as on Seder etc. is not only wrong but a horrendous sin (latent anti-semitism)
  6. A belief that Pentecostals are on the verge of if not already not Christians

Among many other strange beliefs.

As the PCA has grown, there are more cases of abuse, of money extorted etc. This sub-group is heading for having homosexual practising pastors living in "partnerships".

and what do you say to the OPC types who would say that

The PCA is no more than an extension of the PCUSA

It lures folks in and will soon reveals itself as

the Pinko C in America


6 posted on 03/28/2011 4:35:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: Gamecock

My closest friend while deployed was the Catholic chaplain.

I can’t think of anyone who was more brave, selfless, tireless, and mission oriented than he.

And the Catholic chaplains have a much harder life than any other chaplains because Catholics chaplains actually go to the soldiers in the smallest outposts to bring them the sacraments. They spend far more time out where the action is in order to comfort and lift up those men who are doing the heavy lifting in these wars. The other chaplains visit when they can, and feel that it does not matter who visits an outpost, as long as it is a chaplain of any variety. Not so with the Catholic chaplains - they want to bring the sacraments as often as they can, and no one else can do that except a Catholic priest.

Shame on you for highlighting the few bad apples and denigrating the vast majority of Catholic chaplains who are heroic servants of Christ and His Church.


7 posted on 03/28/2011 5:04:38 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Gamecock

Where are the victims groups protesting the shuffling of NYC school district pedophiles?
LA school district pedophiles?
Boston school district pedophiles?
Chicago school district pedophiles?


10 posted on 03/28/2011 5:15:13 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Gamecock

A Preliminary LIST...

Priests Accused of Sexual Misconduct
Who Worked As Military Chaplains
or Chaplains at VA Hospitals

“This page presents a preliminary list of accused priests who have worked as military chaplains and chaplains at Veteran’s Administration hospitals.

It has been common practice for bishops and superiors of religious orders in the United States to use chaplaincies in the armed forces as a convenient place to send priests who have molested children.

As a result, servicemen have been sexually assaulted, the children of soldiers have been abused, and children visiting a parent or relative at a VA hospital have been endangered.

A priest’s time in the military often ends with a transfer back into a parish, where parishioners know nothing of their new priest’s sexual history, and the priest can use his military career in grooming new victims.

In the military, a sexually abusive priest has a powerful new tool to continue his sexual misconduct – his rank and the authority it gives him over soldiers of lower rank and their families.

The Catholic church’s cynical and criminal use of the armed forces as a warehouse for sex offending priests is a neglected and important aspect of the sexual abuse crisis.

The bishops’ practice of not reporting crimes to the police, and of moving priests who molest to unsuspecting parishes, already dishonors the justice system, the people of the parishes, and the priesthood itself.

The bishops’ use of the military dishonors and the men and women who protect our country, and the families that they are raising.”

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/Military_Chaplains/


13 posted on 03/28/2011 5:30:46 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Gamecock; All

Another Catholic-bashing thread by Gamecock. Same crap, different day.

This is a Catholic bashing party, not an honest debate or exchange of ideas.


20 posted on 03/28/2011 5:41:47 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: Gamecock

Do your personal network sources have anything to add on such assertions . . . e.g. Chaplains in the know etc?


52 posted on 03/28/2011 7:57:33 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Gamecock

I hope I am not violating any copyright and this falls under fair use. A review of the cases put forth by SNAP shows a very different picture. I have just taken the first 15 profiles and left out the names. I regard the accused as guilty if credible findings were made even if those finding never rose to the level of being prosecuted by civil authorities. This happend in many cases because of statute of limitations. Any way here goes. Please tell me the number of priests who were made military chaplains once accusations of abuse were made to the Diocese. Please tell me the number of priests who were accused while the alleged abuse was occuring and while they were serving as chaplains. Please tell me the number of accusations that came to light years after alleged occurance or actual occurance. Please tell me the number of priests who were accused of committing abuse during their years as chaplains. Here is the info

1. alleged abuse of boy 1953-57 from age 7
admitted abuse to victim’s sister in 1992. USAF chaplain 1950-53

2. Accused by survivor in 1993 letter to Bishop Gettelfinger of sexually abusing the boy at age 16 in 1976; Allen admitted the abuse in 1994, was sent for treatment, and was then returned to ministry. Removed again after survivor came forward on 5/5/02. Allen was an Army chaplain 1972-93.

3. Accused in a 2007 police report of raping a 15-year-old girl in 1952 after using alcohol to incapacitate her. Abuse including intercourse allegedly continued through 1954. Baskett was then transferred to a parish now located in the Jefferson City MO diocese. Became Air Force chaplain in 1955

4. Man filed civil suit 3/08 accusing Blazek of sexually abusing him for over a year “during or after 1979.” Suit also mentions abuse of other youngsters. Blazek, although still part of Honolulu Diocese, had been serving as a military chaplain for over 20 years. He retired 6/1/07 and lives in Houston, TX per Catholic

5. Branded one of Michigan’s worst pedophiles by prosecutors. Original complaint in 1968. He “retired” in 1985. Barred from working as a priest in 1993 after admitting in writing that he molested at least 23 boys during his career. Civil suits filed in 1994 (dismissed on limitations) and 1995 (settled). Listed in Directory as on sick leave, but worked as Army chaplain in Hawaii from 1982. Extradited in 2002; pleaded no contest and was sentenced 30 days jail and 5 yrs probation. Laicized 2005.

6. Accused of child sexual abuse; laicization announced July 2005. VA hospital assignment was in Rochester diocese.

7. Accused in a 4/3/02 letter to Bishop Tod Brown of sexually abusing a boy in the Orange diocese 1979-80 starting at age 15. he worked as a Navy chaplain 1980-2000.

8. Accused in 6/22/02 suit of forcing boy to perform oral sex in 1964-65 at age 10-11 in cathedral rectory. Had been Army chaplain 1960-62

9. Began to abuse boys prior to ordination. Criminal charges in DC, Virginia & Maryland re 2 13-yr-old boys. Convicted in all three states. Sentenced to prison for 22 yrs & 15 yrs probation. Abused one child again after he was reported. Mother of 1 youth filed civil suit. Voluntarily laicized. Believed to still be in prison as of 2007. Rejoined Air Force reserves in order to groom a victim; uncertain whether he functioned as chaplain in USAF.

10. At least 5 suits filed 2002. Accused of abuse of girls. Died 1990 or 1991. May have also abused in Ohio prior to arrival in Kentucky

11. Accused in 4/14/03 suit of groping and sodomizing a boy 1980-83, starting at age 15, in the Rockville Centre NY diocese. Some abuse in confessional. Excardinated to Fresno CA diocese and was a Navy chaplain 1983-94. Charleston says it learned of allegation in 6/02; deemed it credible; put Congro on administrative leave in Fall 2002.

12. Personnel file released 12/02. Removed from active ministry 1994 after Archdiocese received a demand letter from attorney for man who said Conte had sexually abused him when he was 11 or 12. He admitted sharing bed with boy and kissing him on lips but denied sexual abuse. Settled 1995 for $150K. Laicization announced 6/05. Also accused of abuse in NH. In Naval Reserves 1975-1986.

13.Accused 1993 of sexually abusing a girl from age 9 to 15, starting in mid-1960s, worked at the Army’s Redstone Arsenal despite restricted status in Paterson.

14. Chaplain in Air Force from 1959 to apparently 1964. Left priesthood in 1971. Woman filed suit 4/03 alleging abuse by Dearing when she was about 10 in 1966-68. Suit settled 6/03 as part of massive diocesan settlement. Criminal charges filed 7/03. He pleaded not guilty. Charges later dismissed after prosecutor said there was “insufficient evidence at this time” to proceed.

15 Sentenced to five years in prison in 1994 after pleading guilty to drugging and molesting two Marines. He was dismissed from the Navy and resigned from the Jesuit religious order. “It was a tremendous failure of moral responsibility on my part as an officer and a priest,” he said.

I included the last to show the cases include crimes against adults. Which are indeed inexcusable but not to the same level of wrong as those against children.


54 posted on 03/28/2011 8:46:31 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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