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New World Order, New Age Religion
self/vanity | March 12, 2011 | Jean F. Drew

Posted on 03/12/2011 2:58:25 PM PST by betty boop

New World Order, New World Religion

By Jean F. Drew

 

 

Executive Summary: Our thesis is the New World Order needs a “new age” religion to back it up. “Old age” religions obligate their followers to a moral code ill-suited to “new age” progressivist designs and purposes. So people worldwide need to be “re-trained” in the spirituality department. Perhaps a clue as to what sort of training this would be can be found at the United Nations itself. The U.N. has chartered two NGOs — World Goodwill and Lucis Trust — which serve as advisors to various U.N. Departments, including the important Public Information Office. These NGOs are devoted to New Age religious principles, and teach such doctrines as the Hidden Masters of the Hierarchy and the Reappearance of Lord Maitreya, the “true” Christ. Generally, New Age Religion purports to be a “blend” of Buddhism and Christianity. We find, however, that the two are not “blendable.” To make our case, we resorted to G. I. Gurdjieff’s Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson. In his fascinating myth, we find Gurdjieff attempting to “blend” them. It seems he feels this can be done because both purportedly are founded in the teachings of a single, very ancient Wisdom School — which was founded on antideluvian Atlantis. Thus Gurdjieff’s myth is about much more than just this Wisdom School. Beelzebub’s Tales is also a myth about the entire cosmic evolution of the planet Earth. In the process, we see him either defacing Christian symbols such as, e.g., Original Sin, The Revolt of the Angels, Eden; or outright denying them. For example of the latter, he calls the idea of “objective” Good and Evil as “the most maleficent lie” ever told. We also find him embroidering Buddhism with a hierarchy of cosmic “spiritual personalities” that are not mentioned in Buddha’s direct teachings. We then speculate about the possible teachings of the putative Ancient Wisdom School, and then compare and contrast the teachings of Christianity and Buddhism, showing why they are “unblendable.” In conclusion, we proffer the idea that New Age Religion teaches its pupils obsessive self-preoccupation and habits suited to a slave society. It teaches that there is no “objective” Good and Evil. It teaches submission to the teachers. Above all, it teaches that all human thinking, feelings, beliefs, and views; morality and philosophies and politics rooted in centuries of human cultural experience and history are utterly false. Thus they must be swept away so that “Objective Science” — supposedly the basis of New World Order governance — may finally come into its own.

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Social order and religious belief have gone hand-in-hand all the way back to the dawn of human history. The record shows that a social order — a society — declines and finally fails when its traditional religious symbols lose their resonance in the hearts and minds of the members of the society. When this happens, the society eventually falls apart. Then inevitably an enterprising tyrant comes along to re-engineer it in divers ways, thus to impose a “new order” on it — usually to his enormous personal benefit, at great expense to the people he would rule.

Yet, even when religious symbols have been drained of their original light and life under the pressure of the so-called scientific revolution, they can still remain as “husks” of their former selves in human personal and social memory. Although detached from living experience, still they can be usefully exploited by would-be social engineers for their “ideational content.”

Nowadays many people have noticed the planet seems to be falling into wide-scale disorder (again), via war, terrorism, environmental irresponsibility, financial malfeasance, etc. Since this disorder is not a local or regional phenomenon but extends to the entire planet, therefore, the reasoning goes, its solution must be global, too. To meet this need the structure of a universal government based on scientific expertise must be created.

In light of the connection between social order and religious belief, a global New World Order would require a correspondingly global World Religion. And it turns out there is a “religion” or “spiritual tradition” that is extraordinarily well-suited to fostering globalist goals: “New Age” Religion.

To many people nowadays, it seems that religion is all about correct knowledge. That is, it is about what one knows, and not about how one lives.  Thus man, seemingly so confused at precisely this point, should be easy to reprogram with a “new religion” to fill the void of the evacuated Spirit, one better aligned with the requirements and values of the putative emerging New World Order.

An ersatz blend of Buddhism and Christianity, New Age Religion claims to globally unite all the peoples of the world — heretofore divided along religious lines — under a new spirit of “brotherhood” and “sharing.”

Let us suppose the United Nations is the model for implementing the New World Order. One then wonders whether the U.N. has any particular preference of religious or spiritual tradition suitable as an intellectual and moral support for the emerging global order it is spearheading. As it turns out, the U.N. does.

Under the U.N. organizational umbrella are two fully-accredited non-governmental organizations whose stated purpose is to advance “New Age spirituality.” The two NGOs are closely related. The first, World Goodwill, “a program of Lucis Trust,” is an official advisor to the U.N.’s Department of Public Information. It also maintains “informal relations with certain of the Specialised Agencies and with a wide range of national and international non-governmental organizations.”

The other NGO is World Goodwill’s parent, Lucis Trust itself. Founded by Alice Bailey (1880–1949), Lucis Trust is a famous promoter of Arcane School spiritualism. Lucis Trust is also Alice Bailey’s publisher: Her books bear such titles as, e.g., Initiation, Human and Solar; The Reappearance of the Christ; The Rays and the Initiations; Esoteric Psychology; A Treatise on White Magic; A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. They continue to sell well, decade after decade.

Lucis Trust’s stated mission is to “promote the education of the human mind towards recognition and practice of the spiritual principles and values upon which a stable and interdependent world society may be based.” [Emphasis added.] Accordingly, it is a respected advisor to the U.N.’s Department of Economic and Social Affairs.

Alice Bailey was the original promoter of the doctrines of the Hidden Masters of the Hierarchy and the Reappearance of Maitreya, the “true” Christ. Her student Benjamin Creme (1922 – ) has until very recently (he’s now 89) tirelessly worked to promote these ideas, especially in Western (traditionally Christian) countries.

As a former Bailey student personally acquainted with Benjamin Creme, the present writer would describe this New Age programme as a chimera consisting of a Buddhist chassis, richly festooned with Christian symbolism and allusions. Evidently this is a bid to integrate the philosophical and religious traditions of East and West into a “universal religion.”

Yet such “blending” of Buddhism and Christianity arguably does not — and cannot — work. The Buddhist approach to Truth, as the philosopher Joseph Needleman has pointed out, is “scientific and psychological,” while the Christian approach is based on reason and feeling. Can one blend oil and water?

 

Meet Gurdjieff — and His Alter Ego, “Beelzebub”

Enter G. I. Gurdjieff (1866(?) – 1949), and his “spiritual autobiography,” Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson. 

Like Bailey and Creme, Gurdjieff is a seminal source of New Age religious ideas. But he is far “craftier” and more cunning (and conning) than they. While Bailey and Creme devote themselves to writing textbooks on human spiritual improvement, Gurdjieff is a story-teller. He purports to “blend the oil and the water” by his claim that Buddhism and Christianity (via classical Western philosophy) have a common, very ancient root located in a Wisdom School that once flourished on the “lost continent” of Atlantis. Thus Beelzebub’s Tales is a fascinating exercise in myth construction.

However, just as with Bailey and Creme, in Gurdjieff the Buddhist “chassis” seems far removed from the original teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha. There is nothing in Buddha’s direct teaching that indicates the existence of a proliferation of exalted spiritual beings — “powers and principalities” — who expertly keep “all the cosmic trains running on time.” Buddha said nothing about a hierarchy of great “Spiritual Personalities” responsible for “World-creation and World-maintenance” — though certainly Bailey, Creme, and Gurdjieff do. Nor does Buddha ever speak of a Creator. Moreoever what Gurdjieff does with Christian symbols (and classical philosophical insights) is nothing short of turning them inside-out, as we shall see.

 

The Wisdom School

Let us grant that once-upon-a-time there was such a thing as an Ancient Wisdom school, whether on Atlantis or somewhere else. In the West, its influence would likely have first surfaced in the Pythagorean School, which marks the transition from oral to written teaching methods. Pythagoras (~600 B.C.) himself had sources — according to legend, he studied 20 years with the Egyptian priests, and also with the Chaldean priests (Babylon).

The intriguing question is: What are the sources of Pythagoras’ sources?

Yet just as a physicist cannot “see” the beginning of the physical universe, neither can a philosopher “see” the beginning of human thought and religious experience — which are universals.

Then again, Pythagoras was the teacher of Socrates, who was the teacher of Plato; who in turn was the teacher of Aristotle, the founder of “natural philosophy,” or of what we today call: science. Moreover, key elements of this tradition were later absorbed into Christian theology, via the great Doctors of the Church, notably Augustine, Aquinas, and Anselm.

Let us turn now to Gurdjieff’s myth. We open Book 1 of Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson to find Beelzebub rocketing around the Universe in a space ship, grandson Hassein at his side. Hassein is avid to hear the wisdom his grandfather has to impart about cosmic Reality at all scales.

Gurdjieff’s myth is no less than the cosmic history of the Planet Earth, understood as a constituent part of the One Cosmos, out of which issues the order of the physical Universe. The maintenance of this Universe is in the care of certain spiritual persons of exalted rank, who are responsible for ensuring that the Cosmic Plan goes forward — according to Plan.

 

These beings go by the titles of Archangel, Angel, Saint, etc. Their main job is to monitor and regulate “energy exchanges” between the bodies of the solar system. They must do this in a way that sustains not only the solar system and the flourishing of its various planets (many of which are inhabited by life forms), but they must do this in a way that does not violate cosmic principles (laws). Thus, these “Archangels,” etc., are experts in the field of “cosmic energy distribution and balancing.” They are the “World-creators–World-maintainers.” At bottom, they are “spiritual scientists” (forgive the oxymoron).

But it turns out they are not all-knowing, and according to Beelezebub’s tale, they can make mistakes of disastrous consequences for man.

Although it is impossible to do justice to a work of over 1,000 pages in a short article, we can sketch out some of the main ideas.

 

The First Disaster

Gurdjieff’s tale commences with the first cosmic disaster ever to befall planet Earth, which he uses as the background for a concept of Original Sin strikingly different from the Judeo-Christian one.

This first disaster was the ancient comet strike on Earth that carved the Moon (in this tale actually two moons) out of the body of the Earth. It was a disaster for the very reason that the above-mentioned “saints” did not see it coming.

According to the tale, mankind first appeared on Earth shortly after this catastrophe took place. In a nutshell, mankind had to be introduced on Earth when the solar system was suddenly, unexpectedly complicated by the unforeseen appearance of two new planets, Moon and Anulios.  Then mankind had to be introduced because, as Beelzebub tells us, a certain “human suffering” was required in order to smooth out the disturbances to the cosmic energy balance occasioned by the effects of the comet strike on Earth.

The Moon as a “massive body” physically torn out of the Earth, according to this myth, gained “planetary status” thereby. The unexpected separation of Moon from Earth required the “saints” to recalculate how to maintain the overall balance of energies as between the “source” (Earth) and its separated part, the Moon (actually two moons). What was required was a certain “shifting and rebalancing of energies” from precisely mankind to the Moon in order to rebalance the energy distribution of the solar system caused by this unexpected situation, thus to maintain the Cosmic Order, the Plan.

As for the “other moon,” Anulios, we are told only this: Being of exceedingly small size and inhabiting a remote sector of space, it has not yet been detected by man. Gurdjieff leaves unclear what Anulios’ “energy demands” on the human race might be.

The upshot is: The “saintly bright boys” — the spiritual scientists — who “didn’t see this situation coming,” figured they had a real problem here:

“…[I]t might happen that having understood the reason for their arising, namely, that by their existence they should maintain the detached fragments of their planet, and being convinced of this their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them, they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would on principle destroy themselves.”

Thus the question: What did “the saintly ‘bright boys’ who didn’t see this situation coming” do to remedy this situation? After all, they hardly wanted man to commit suicide — for Moon needed their “being-sacrifices” in order to develop its own “atmosphere.”

The answer: They decided to “tamper” with man as he then existed by installing a brand-new organ, called the Kundabuffer, into his bodily organization. This Kundabuffer is perhaps best understood as a program designed to divert human spiritual energies into the service of personal “pleasure” and “enjoyment.” Keep ’em busy with this stuff, and they won’t so much mind they are slaves…. Or so the thinking went at the time among these “great spiritual personalities” who evidently have zero foresight, and so are forever playing a game of “catch-up ball” just like the rest of us “three-brained beings” (that is, human beings, referred to often in this work as the “scum” breeding on/inhabiting the “ill-fated planet” Earth).

So the darned thing — the Kundabuffer — kicked in; and the next thing we find out is that “the saintly ‘bright boys’ who didn’t see this situation coming” came to regret their decision to install the Kundabuffer. For one thing, it seemed to lead to the propensity of human beings to destroy one another. So, regretting their unfortunate decision, they “removed” the Kundabuffer from the human bodily organization….

But too late! It had already left its mark on human nature; and moreover, this mark was relentlessly, necessarily heritable unto the generations. (Gurdjieff seems more Lamarckian than Darwinian in his idea of biological evolution.)

The point is, unlike the Judeo-Christian tradition’s view of the Fall of Man” — the Original Sin, Adam’s fatal choice, which was his alone to make, which is likewise relentlessly heritable unto the generations — Beelzebub’s account holds man himself entirely blameless for his suffering in the world. It was just a huge cosmic screw-up traceable to a certain overly-anxious Archangel, a vast cosmic mistake.

But the upshot is: Mankind has to pay for the consequences of this “mistake” nonetheless, “unto the generations.” Man’s fate is to offer his personal suffering “in service to the Moon.” This is an irremovable condition, heritable unto the generations.

In other words, mankind was created for the sole purpose of discharging a “cosmic debt.” He lives and suffers and dies in service to this purpose. And he binds his descendants to this irremovable condition of slavery simply by “breeding.”

 

The Second Disaster

The second great cosmic disaster to befall the Earth was the destruction of “the continent Atlantis” by means of a massive flood. The significance of this event is as follows:

According to Beelzebub, there had arisen on Atlantis a very great school of human psychology or “Ancient Wisdom” that possibly conceived of man as a microcosm of the Cosmos, a complete recapitulation of it on a vastly smaller scale. This school may have maintained that, in order for man to understand the Being of the Cosmos of which he was a living part, he first needed to understand the order of his own being. In order for him to do that, he needed to realize that the order of the human mind did not consist solely of its “rational function,” but also incorporates feeling and instinctive functions that “mirror” the order of the encompassing Cosmos of which he is a part and participant. In shorthand: “As above, so below.”

According to Beelzebub, the humans of this great Atlantean school were of such superlative mental acuity that they perceived, from their own careful measurements of “the local energies,” that some really bad thing was about to befall the Earth. And so they deployed their people out of Atlantis to all quarters of the then-known world to see whether anybody could find out anything with respect to the impending doom, so as to try to prevent it.

Thus initiates of the Atlantean School disbursed to such places as Central Asia, Egypt, and India.

 

When Atlantis was destroyed, the school there would have been utterly destroyed also — had it not been for this antediluvian diaspora of its initiates to other parts of the world.

In short, this school and its ideas lived on, though in increasingly degraded form over time.

It later emerges in supposed pristine condition under Gurdjieff’s symbol, Ashiata Shiemash, a holy teacher and great spiritual being sent “from Above” to revivify the ancient ideas so to guide mankind in the acquisition of “Objective Science.”

Ashiata Shiemash tells us that Objective Science begins in human “regeneration.” Human regeneration, or spiritual evolution, begins with inculcating the sense of Remorse, which leads to Conscience. This then proceeds to Gratitude, which furthermore leads, in a “properly-formed” human consciousness, to a more-or-less permanent sense of selfless Duty. His teaching method is designed to bring forth such fruits in his human subjects.

Compare this idea with the Christian teaching, “love thy neighbor as thyself.” The corresponding Shiemash formulation would go: “Love thy neighbor more than thyself.” Or even: “Love anything that breathes” more than oneself.

This regeneration/reformation of man is done by invoking the proper “being-obligolnian-strivings” in human beings. There are five such strivings:

“The first striving: to have in their ordinary being-existence everything satisfying and really necessary for their planetary body.

“The second striving: to have a constant and unflagging instinctive need for self-perfection in the sense of being.

“The third: the conscious striving to know ever more and more concerning the laws of World-creation and World-maintenance.

“The fourth: the striving from the beginning of their existence to pay for their arising and their individuality as quickly as possible, in order afterwards to be free to lighten as much as possible the Sorrow of our COMMON FATHER.

“And the fifth: the striving always to assist the most rapid perfecting of other beings, both those similar to oneself and those of other forms, up to the degree of the sacred “Martfotai” that is up to the degree of self-individuality.”

The point is, Beelzebub seems to be saying that a New Eden can be raised on these five “strivings.” People grasping these principles — new initiates — would begin to speak of them in public, and model them in their daily lives, whereupon “the crowd” would see that these were, in fact, really fine principles for ordering human existence. So they would emulate these models.

The problem is this “attractive” idea has never before played out successfully in actual reality, although this fact hardly reflects a lack of trying. The New Eden requires “chiefs,” “leaders,” to organize such an enterprise and carry it out — something like the U.N. — and a willing, cooperative, even supine body of followers to “make it happen”:

“At that period the counsel and guidance and in general every word of these chiefs, became law for all the three-brained beings there [i.e., human beings], and were fulfilled by them with devotion and joy.”

One way to read this: The human spirit’s sublime fulfillment consists in the rejection of one’s “ego” and free will, so to hitch one’s individuality up to the great star of expert opinion of spiritual activists, leading to the functioning of an expertly-guided “group mind.”

Near the end of Book 1, Gurdjieff says that if the methods of Ashiata Shiemash were to fail, he hopes the “bright boys” running the cosmic show would implant a new organ in mankind, similar to the Kundabuffer. But this time, the new organ would not be devoted to the purpose of motivating experiences of pleasure and enjoyment. It would be devoted to inculcating a sense of self-sacrifice and self-denial, in the interest of a common human “welfare” that is being defined and directed by otherworldly spiritual guides. Gurdjieff uses the word “welfare.” I take it he prefers that word to the classical philosophical word, the Good.

It is reasonable to conclude that the removed Kundabuffer and the proposed new Kundabuffer are more like computer programs than they are like any human organ we know of. But I wonder: Are human beings really “programmable” in this way?

But the problem remains, as Beelzebub himself acknowledges: The human being will do his level best to destroy the “fruits of the Very Saintly Labors of Ashiata Shiemash” any time he’s given a chance.

In the humble opinion of the present writer, this is precisely because the God-fearing individual knows as if by instinct, as it were, that this so-called “holy person” Ashiata Shiemash wants to strip him of his own holy individuality and the liberty invested in him by God, in order to make him amenable to the social reengineering that the experts of Objective Science — seers of a destroyed Atlantis — have in mind.

 

The Third Disaster

The third disaster to befall the “ill-fated planet” was the rising of “cosmic winds” affecting the planet, such that the very mountains were ground down, disintegrated into particles, thence distributed and deposited as sand. This “sandification” process resulted in, e.g., the Sahara and Gobi deserts. The “disaster,” from Beelzebub’s point of view, was that these sands buried virtually all extant writings of the Atlantean Wisdom School. (But not to worry. He finds them later, and “reassembles” them in his “tale to his grandson.”)

Not much to add here regarding the Third Disaster, for Beelzebub does not further elaborate. But he does suggest that yet other, forthcoming cosmic catastrophes will befall the “ill-fated planet” in due course.

 

The Angelic Rebellion

Beelzebub himself is a spiritual person of exalted rank — one of those “saintly ‘bright boys’ who didn’t see this situation coming” (though probably of more “lawyerly” than “hands-on” predisposition). As he tells it, once-upon-a-time he committed a certain “youthful indiscretion,” for which reason he and certain of his friends were exiled from some undefined celestial realm — to the planet Mars. Beelzebub has a great big telescope there to investigate the doings on all the planets of the Solar System (many inhabited by living beings), and especially “that ill-fated planet,” Earth. And he has perfect means to “descend” to Earth anytime he wishes to visit: He has a space ship on constant stand-by for this purpose. He has made this journey six times in the history of Earth, typically for some “good purpose,” such as ending the practice of animal sacrifice, or ending the caste system in India.

Beelzebub is not Lucifer. Lucifer is mentioned infrequently, inconsequently. (The name Satan never appears.) When he is mentioned, Beelzebub always refers to him as “our Arch Cunning”…. Beyond that, Gurdjieff leaves Lucifer’s cosmic role seemingly undefined.

Thus Gurdjieff’s version of the cosmic revolt of Lucifer and one-third of the angels.  There is no explanation of what Beelzebub’s “youthful indiscretion” was; but it seems he was a ranking member of the party of the fallen angels all the same. He is “rehabilitated” later, in the course of Gurdjieff’s myth.

 

The Tower of Babel

In Beelzebub’s tale, the Tower of Babel was constructed on the basis of a single question: Does man have a soul? This question has two main camps: the “dualists” and the “atheists”:

“In the dualist or idealist teaching, it was said that within the coarse body of the being-man, there is a fine and invisible body, which is just the soul.

 “This ‘fine body’ of man is immortal, that is to say, it is never destroyed….

“In [the atheist] teaching…it was stated that there is no God in the world, and moreover no soul in man, and hence that all those talks and discussions about the soul are nothing more than the deliriums of sick visionaries.

“It was further maintained that there exists in the World only one special law of mechanics, according to which everything that exists passes from one form into another; that is to say, the results which arise from certain preceding causes are gradually transformed and become causes for subsequent results.

“Man also is therefore only a consequence of some preceding cause and in his turn must, as a result, be a cause of certain consequences.

“Further, it was said that even what are called ‘supernatural phenomena’ really perceptible to most people, are all nothing but these same results ensuing from the mentioned special law of mechanics.”

Sound familiar? Here we see the age-old dispute regarding free will vs. determinism put into sharp relief. And also the popular scientific claim that the entire universe reduces to matter in its motions.

Addressing this situation, Gurdjieff puts this speech into the mouth of his character, Hamolinadir, a middling initiate of the Atlantean wisdom school:

There is now proceeding among us in the city of Babylon the general public “building-of-a-tower” by means of which to ascend to “Heaven” and there to see with our own eyes what goes on there.

This tower is being built of bricks which outwardly all look alike, but which are made of quite different materials.

Among these bricks are bricks of iron and wood and also of “dough” and even of “eider down.”

Well then, at the present time, a stupendously enormous tower is being built of such bricks right in the center of Babylon, and every more or less conscious person must bear in mind that sooner or later this tower will certainly fall and crush not only all the people of Babylon, but also everything else that is there.

As I personally still wish to live and have no desire to be crushed by this Babylonian tower, I shall therefore now immediately go away from here, and all of you, do as you please.

Unfortunately, Gurdjieff does not propose a way of reconciling the underlying dispute — dualist vs. atheist — in the entire tale of Beelzebub’s conversations with his grandson. Perhaps he knows that, as between “dualists” and “atheists,” there is no reconciliation on questions of Truth? That is to say, there is no common ground between them on which rational discourse could make a stand? Thus all one gets from such attempts is: the construction of a Tower of Babel that will wind up crushing us all?

Gurdjieff doesn’t declare himself on this question. But I note the myth he constructs in Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson pays obeisance to the atheists’ “special law of mechanics.”

 

Good and Evil

In Book 3, Beelzebub says mankind’s understanding of “angels” and “demons” is horrifically warped, because human beings have bought into the most maleficent lie ever told: That there is such a thing as objective Good and Evil.

Beelzebub holds that what we call “good” and “evil” are merely internal processes in man. “Good” is bad, because it leads man down false paths of egoism; “Evil” is good because it is a symbol for destructive processes in Nature which are necessary to Being itself. 

As Beelzebub complains,

[Man has] already based all questions without exception, questions concerning ordinary being-existence as well as questions about self-perfecting and also about various “philosophies” and every kind of “science” existing there, and of course also about their innumerable “religious teachings” and even their notorious what are called “morality,” “politics,” “laws,” “morals, and so on, exclusively on that fantastic but…very maleficent idea. [Emphasis added.]

Gurdjieff has a plan for eradicating this “most maleficent lie” from human consciousness. In the very last chapter of Book 3, he tells us what it is:

“To destroy, mercilessly, without any compromises whatsoever, in the mentation [thought] and feelings of the reader, the beliefs and views, by centuries rooted in him [by heredity and culture], about everything existing in the world.”

In short Gurdjieff takes the wrecking-ball approach to all existing human cultures, clearing and leveling the ground so an entirely new system can be erected on the razed site.

As Anthony Daniels wryly noted in National Review (“The Brute and the Terrorist,” March 7, 2011), nowadays a man best shows his “independence of mind” and “generosity of spirit” by rejecting everything he has inherited from his historical and cultural past.

One imagines that Gurdjieff approves this attitude. Evidently Gurdjieff wishes to reduce his pupil to the status of tabula raza, a blank slate on which he can write anything at all. And how better to do that than to detach from human consciousness mankind’s hard-won culture and history? With this support gone, how is man to locate himself in Reality?

 

The Fundamental “Unblendability” of Buddhism and Christianity

The two spiritual/philosophical systems — East (Buddhism) and West (Christianity/classical philosophy) — are similar in their basic understanding of the structure of human psyche as a “three-bodied system” consisting of consciousness (rational intellect), unconsciousness (feeling), and organic instinct. They also agree the soul, psyche, is eternal. Perhaps this basic agreement owes to a far older common tradition, a school of Ancient Wisdom, whether or not it was located in “Atlantis.”

But beyond this point of agreement, the two traditions seemingly diverge. The bifurcation occurs at the question of how the two traditions deal with the proper alignment and balance of the “three-bodied system,” the human psyche.

Socrates and Plato regard this problem as solvable by giving each of the three “bodies” or “centers” its due, and then to bring them into proper “alignment.” The method used to accomplish this is relentless self-interrogation — “Know Thyself” — involving a process called anamnesis, or “recollection,” remembering.

Buddha suggests that the object of the game is to bring the “centers” of feeling and instinct under the complete control of the rational intellect. That is, Buddhism does not regard feeling or instinct as natural goods, but as something that must be overcome. Feeling and instinct must be dominated by the rational component of psyche in order for human beings to be liberated from the cycle of rebirth — samsara — and its “suffering.” And when one achieves such liberation, one attains the blessed condition of Nirvana — final release from all the pains of earthly, bodily existence.

In contrast, Socrates/Plato (and Christian theology in certain respects) regard psyche (soul, inclusive of mind) as a complete divine specification of a unique human person. Soul  materializes the body, incarnates in it. Soul needs to be actively tended to by its recipient, corrected, and perfected, in order for the human being to attain the proper balance of consciousness enabling him to realize whatever “divinity” he has latently within him, according to the divine measure. And then to express this latent divinity as far as possible within his own practical existence, with an eye on his post-existence: Dike — divine Justice — is never far below the surface in Plato. Plato’s message for the ages is that all human beings are subject to divine Judgment in all matters involving divine Justice. Thus the idea of personal responsibility and accountability runs through Socrates/Plato. (Beelzebub calls Socrates “a crank.”)

In contrast it seems for Buddha, psyche is more like a “little seed” that one is born with. It is not a “full specification of the human person,” but a locus of potentiality that man must develop by his own efforts, according to his own reason (the imperfections of which will hopefully be corrected and cured in the virtually endless process of reincarnation). And its destiny is to realize itself as a “worthy particle” of the divine Prana — the divine Cosmic Essence — which realization represents the eternal merger and identification of the self-perfected personal self with the divine Cosmic Self. At which point, one can say of oneself: I AM (God).

Strange to say it, but Buddhism seems to tell us that the only personal obligation that one has is: to release oneself from personal “suffering.” The idea of Justice — as something involving the entire human community — doesn’t seem to be exactly topical in this system of ideas.

 

In Conclusion

Whatever one thinks about these problems, in Beelzebub’s Tales Gurdjieff is mining a common vein of ancient thought, and seemingly very knowledgeably and skillfully — that is, “craftily.”

But as he himself tells us, he’s a “wiseaker.” It seems Gurdjieff is not so much a charlatan as he is a chameleon, even a “shape-shifter.” Furthermore, Gurdjieff may have been a practitioner of “coyote Wisdom.”

In American Indian lore the coyote symbolizes the Trickster. He excels by cunning (magic) at depicting and conveying false pictures of Reality to human beings, at the behest of a “Shaman.” And then they really get into trouble! (The humans, that is.)

G. I. Gurdjieff may be a “trickster” in just this sense.

Gurdjieff tells us that the universe is filled with a myriad of life-bearing planets. Beelzebub deplores the “fact” that the “ill-fated planet,” Earth, is the only planet that isn’t ordered under a “single King” — a global government. Clearly he feels that this situation needs to be fixed.

In common with Lucis Trust, Gurdjieff recognizes that, in order for a world government to succeed, its would-be subjects must first be educated “towards recognition and practice of the spiritual principles and values upon which a stable and interdependent world society may be based.” His teaching methods — and those of Bailey and Creme — work toward that end. In the end, the New Age Religion championed by the U.N. seems intended as the universal spiritual justification for ever-expansive global secular power. No wonder the U.N. accords them respect.

Finally, what does this teaching teach? As a practical matter, it teaches obsessive self-preoccupation and habits suited to a slave society. It teaches that there is no “objective” Good and Evil. It teaches submission to the teachers. Above all, it teaches that all human thinking, feelings, beliefs, and views; morality and philosophies and politics rooted in centuries of human cultural experience and history are utterly false. Thus they must be swept away so that “Objective Science” — supposedly the basis of New World Order governance — may finally come into its own.

Untethered from the human past, including all former religious traditions, human beings are left vulnerable to domination by any crazy ideology that comes down the pike that can project effective political force.

Gurdjieff deploys amazing knowledge and skill — craft — to sell us this dubious proposition, which seems to falsify human nature at every turn.

Yet for all his craftiness, one has little sense of the man’s character, of his moral core. Then again, the idea of “moral core” cannot be found anywhere in Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson.

And so in reading him, one is advised to recall a bit of practical wisdom, or common sense: The most successful liar is the man who can tell the truth “skillfully.”

 

 

©2011 Jean F. Drew

March 12, 2011

 

LINKS:

Benjamin Creme/Share International: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_International

Lucis Trust U.N. NGO: http://esango.U.N..org/civilsociety/showProfileDetail.do?method=showProfileDetails&profileCode=945

Alice Bailey/Lucis Trust home page: http://www.lucistrust.org/

Gurdjieff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff

 


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To: betty boop

Interesting is an understatement.


861 posted on 05/20/2012 9:03:27 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: betty boop
Right off the top, additional information about Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme seems to be in order.

Bailey? Creme?

I'll drink to that!

Cheers!

862 posted on 05/20/2012 9:47:02 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thankyou for those scriptures dear sister!

"Indeed, He is Truth. A thing is true because He says it."

Indeed... Hebrews 6:18,19 - "That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul..."

The new age movement is trying to create it's own anchor for the soul.One made of straw.The wind will blow,that house will fall and mighty and terrible will be it's fall.

Thankyou again dear Alamo-Girl!

863 posted on 05/21/2012 2:04:48 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: betty boop
Thankyou for the illumination dear bb!

"That human "progress" is always to be found, not in the past, but only in the future"

Chronological snobbery.

"No wonder science could never arise in a Buddhist/Hindu spiritual context...."

Who cares? Science can just butt out of the spiritual quest,except of course when it's percieved it to be usefull in getting rid of the baby along with the bathwater.

So many New agers seem too busy flitting about like spiritual moths cherry picking what suites them from whatever spiritual tradition crosses their path to worry about cold hard reality.With a head full of "goodwill" and a heart that they do not know they march steadily toward the flame dreaming of Utopia.While at the same time millions are murdered in the womb and homosexuality verges on the compulsary....etc etc etc ad nauseum.

I think,if it were possible,the enemy of men's souls would be absolutely busting a gut laughing at the so-called "new age".'New' age my @$$.

"...there is no new thing under the sun.Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us There is no remembrance of former things..."

I suppose that's where cronological snobbery works it's wonders..."no remembrance of former things"

"I really have more to say on these questions."

Here's hoping.

"Thanks to anyone who has read so far — for your wonderful patience"

It aint no thing,seriously,I don't need any while reading and I don't possess any while waiting.8-)

864 posted on 05/21/2012 2:48:53 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: betty boop
Your eye-opening essays are a delight to me, dearest sister in Christ!

Thank you so very much for contrasting Islam and Eastern Religion worldviews to Judeo/Christianity - and thank you for the background on Ouspensky, Gurdjieff and Creme!

Evidently you cite the Q'uran as evidence of the "wrongness" of making comparisons; for you allege that it "states that all the spiritual teachings clarify the older ones." Am I to infer from this comment that you believe Qu'ran holds that "spiritual insights" occurring later on the historical timeline are better than those which occurred earlier? That human "progress" is always to be found, not in the past, but only in the future? If so, this would suggest to me that you have imbibed a theory of "evolutionary progress" from somewhere. (Darwin???) Perhaps you aren't even aware that you may have this attitude.

Precisely so. So much for "evolution" in spiritual matters.

I do not see where LDS (circa 1830) or Scientology (circa 1952) either clarified or improved Spiritual insight. And certainly Heaven's Gate (circa 1970's) was literally a dead end.

Indeed, if it does not come from God Himself, there is no Spiritual insight to be had.

865 posted on 05/21/2012 8:51:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mitch5501
impossible for God to lie

Thank you oh so very much for that perfectly applicable Scriptural Truth, dear brother in Christ!

Indeed, God cannot lie because when He says a thing, it is. It is because He said it!

As you say, the New Age belief has no foundation.

Thank you for your insights and encouragements!

866 posted on 05/21/2012 8:57:39 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; DeniseMilani; mitch5501; Alamo-Girl; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers
"..It appears to me that, if anything, Islam is a retrograde religion — one that cancels out the idea of a Creator God of truth, love, and justice, Who formed Man in His Image; i.e., as a creature possessing reason and — above all — free will. ..."

BTTT!!!

"Man is the image and likeness of the Creator, so he therefore has an uncreated intellect that may know Truth, and know it with certainty. He may distinguish between the Real and the unreal (or less real), between appearance and reality, between the transient and the eternal, between causes and effects, between the objective and subjective, and between principles and their manifestation. No mere animal can do any of these things, nor can any materialist philosophy or tenured ape account for them in a manner that is not logically self-refuting. ...."

"..man is man because he may know the True, the Good and the Beautiful, and act upon that knowledge with a will that is free. Any man who does not achieve these ends is a sick man, and any culture that does not produce such men is a sick society.

Judged by these criteria, academia is by and large a very sick place, at least as it pertains to the humanities ....On what elite campus do the professors speak of timeless truth, or objective morality, or of transcendentally real beauty? .."

Our enemies in the Muslim world are our enemies precisely because they are sick men from sick societies who wish to spread their disease to the rest of the world. But in our own part of the world, approximately half of the population suffers from a soul pathology that prevents them from making judgments on, or even perceiving, the soul pathology of our external enemies. ...."

HERE: The Cause and Cure of Mankind

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"....one of our first principles, "as above, so below," i.e., "man is made in the image and likeness of the Creator." But there is image and there is likeness, and human time is the distance between the two, which is none other than the spiritual path.

Only human beings may know that "it is possible to act in error." Conversely, "if fate ruled everything, error would not only be impossible, but the very idea of it would have no meaning" (Bolton). Likewise, to entertain a single regret is to acknowledge that things might have been different if only you hadn't been such a jackass and made such stupid choices.

To say "better choices" is to say truer ones -- or decisions aligned with truth and therefore rooted in reality. ..."

HERE

867 posted on 05/21/2012 9:36:27 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("If you want to understand the modern Left, read Dostoevsky's The Possessed. Trust me" ~RJ Moeller)
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To: Alamo-Girl; mitch5501; metmom; MHGinTN; grey_whiskers; YHAOS; spirited irish
...if it does not come from God Himself, there is no Spiritual insight to be had.

I certainly agree, dearest sister in Christ!

People who flock to men purporting to have spiritual insight according to their own wisdom are being set up for a most grievous fall....

That is a spiritual dead end. But charismatic charmers have novel ways of enticing the spiritually rootless to reject the Logos of God which underwrites (so to speak) the entire world of creation. Gurdjieff's "schtick" was "dance therapy." For Ben Creme, the "schtick" is "group meditation." Which to me is a real howler, an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms, a logical impossibility: Reason tells me that "groups" do not meditate; only individual souls/minds do.

But people fall for this baseless "stuff." They feed their spiritual hunger with "junk." Life is terrifying, and they seek easy answers that relieve them of their existential anxieties, and that make them "feel good" about themselves — so they flock to self-described gurus who are happy to supply them....

Or so it seems to me. FWIW.

Thank you ever so much for writing, dearest sister in Christ, and for your very kind words of support!

868 posted on 05/21/2012 10:04:16 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Matchett-PI; DeniseMilani; mitch5501; Alamo-Girl; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN
[Man] may distinguish between the Real and the unreal (or less real), between appearance and reality, between the transient and the eternal, between causes and effects, between the objective and subjective, and between principles and their manifestation. No mere animal can do any of these things, nor can any materialist philosophy or tenured ape account for them in a manner that is not logically self-refuting....

"... man is man because he may know the True, the Good and the Beautiful, and act upon that knowledge with a will that is free. Any man who does not achieve these ends is a sick man, and any culture that does not produce such men is a sick society.

Oh so very true, dear Matchett-PI! Just take a look around, and behold a very "sick society."

Thank you ever so much for drawing our attention to these marvelous insights from "Gagdad Bob".... and the outstanding links to his articles! I class his work as "highly recommended reading."

869 posted on 05/21/2012 10:16:39 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Matchett-PI
Judged by these criteria, academia is by and large a very sick place, at least as it pertains to the humanities ....On what elite campus do the professors speak of timeless truth, or objective morality, or of transcendentally real beauty? .."

Precisely so.

Thank you so much for sharing these insights and links, dear Matchett-PI!

870 posted on 05/21/2012 10:46:23 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mitch5501; DeniseMilani; Alamo-Girl; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. — Ecclesiates 1: 9–10

Thought it worth repeating....

Dear mitch5501, you wrote:

With a head full of "goodwill" and a heart that they do not know [New Agers] march steadily toward the flame dreaming of Utopia. While at the same time millions are murdered in the womb and homosexuality verges on the compulsary....etc etc etc ad nauseum.

I think, if it were possible, the enemy of men's souls would be absolutely busting a gut laughing at the so-called "new age". 'New' age my @$$.

I so agree! There is nothing "new" about what "the enemy of men's souls" is now doing; for it is what he has ever done.... He knows his "future"; he just wants to take down as many of God's creatures with him as possible, out of sheer spite....

He may be laughing; but he already well knows that God gets "the last laugh"....

Thank you ever so much for sharing your marvelous insights, dear mitch5501!

871 posted on 05/21/2012 10:46:28 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
Ben Creme, the "schtick" is "group meditation." Which to me is a real howler, an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms, a logical impossibility: Reason tells me that "groups" do not meditate; only individual souls/minds do.

Great catch! How funny.

These fabricated exercises to achieve spiritual insight bring to mind many drug induced methods to achieve "spiritual" insights, e.g. Peyote of the Native American Church and Marijuana in the Rastafari Movement.

For people who think a drug high equates to spiritual insight, anesthesiologists must be like high priests. LOLOL!

Outstanding insights, dearest sister in Christ, thank you!


872 posted on 05/21/2012 10:54:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome. Thank you both!


873 posted on 05/21/2012 11:21:57 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("If you want to understand the modern Left, read Dostoevsky's The Possessed. Trust me" ~RJ Moeller)
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To: DeniseMilani; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; metmom; Matchett-PI

DeniseMilani: the Qu’ran for instance, which states that all the spiritual teachings clarify the older ones

Spirited: Then the Qu-ran lies, for rather than clarifying supernatural Christian theism, Mohammed’s heresy muddied and subverted Christianity. According to the great Augustinian Oratorian John Henry Newman:

“Muhammad is the 3rd historical shadow of the Antichrist,” said Newman. “This shadow began his imposture about 600 years after Christ and his armies tore at the soul and body of Christ in the fierce religious wars they waged against the Church.” (A Confederacy of Evil, pp. xxi-xxii )

Newman argues that the Antichrist will be an individual person whose types and forerunners are famous historical persons. The 3rd was Muhammed. One, Two and four are:

1. King Antiochus whom we read about in the book of Maccabees

2. Emperor Julian the Apostate (331-363 A.D.)

4. the godless leaders of the French Revolution. These prophets of godless ‘isms’ (i.e.,communism, socialism, secularism, liberalism, evolutionism, materialism, progressive atheism) held that man is god. They attacked the Church, secularized France, and spread rebellion against God and His Church throughout Europe, the world and now here in America.

Newman describes the conditions that pave the way for the Antichrist. The first is apostasy. Everywhere in the world we are witnessing a “supreme effort to govern men and dominate the world without religion,” particularly Christian theism. It’s a widely accepted and spreading dogma that men should have nothing to do with religion, that religion and morality are private matters best kept to oneself.

Next is the widely accepted idea that transcendent Truth and authority are divisive, intolerant, bigotted and hateful. Each man it is said, is the supreme inventer of his own truth.

Third, the feverish endeavor to remove every vestige of orthodox Christianity from schools, mass media, political affairs, entertainment, and social affairs. Emergent Christianity, Liberal Christianity, Eastern mysticism, neo-paganism, Wicca and even Satanism are socially acceptable but orthodox faith is not.

Fourth, the nonstop redefining of the Bible. Today the Bible has so many meanings over and against its’ obvious meaning that it “has been reduced to having no meaning at all, to being at best a pleasant myth, at worst, a dead letter.” (pp. xxiii-xxiv)

The true faith said Newman, has been “cast into the dark world of variable, evanescent, volatile feelings…(it) is discredited in the minds of many when, it is not already destroyed.” (pp. xxiii-xxiv )

“Surely,” concludes Newman, “there is at this day a confederacy of evil, marshalling its hosts from all parts of the world, organizing itself, taking its measures, enclosing the Church of Christ as in a net, and preparing the way for general apostasy from it…This Apostasy and all its tokens and instruments are of the evil one and savior of death.” (p. xxiv)

(Excerpted from: The Death of True Christian Theism Ushers in the Day of Antichrist, http://patriotsandliberty.com/?p=16284 )


874 posted on 05/21/2012 11:59:44 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Thank you so much for sharing those insights, dear sister in Christ!
875 posted on 05/21/2012 12:08:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: DeniseMilani; mitch5501; Alamo-Girl; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN
Good and Evil as relative is not an idea made by Gurdjieff.

I never said the relativism of Good and Evil was an idea originating with Gurdjieff. The idea has a very long history, indeed. (Socrates/Plato battled this idea back in he fourth century B.C., and he was not the first to do so.) You seem, however, to concede that Gurdjieff positively endorses this relativism. And I'd have to agree with you there.

Of course, if Good and Evil are merely relative, and not substantive, then what possible basis can be found for morality? If follows that morality itself is also relative; or to put it another way, morality is simply a matter of opinion (doxa), and one man's opinion is just as good as any other man's.

But deep down, people do not believe this. There is something about human nature itself that is primed for justice, for truth. All men want to believe that they live in a system that is "moral." A theory of moral relativism thus is a falsification of human nature — which arguably is a "given," and not something that "progressively evolves" to a presumably higher/better state over time.

That is to say, human nature doesn't change much, if at all, over time. Any objective student of human history can tell you that.

This insight was drilled in for me in the course of reading Boccaccio's Decameron — a fourteenth century collection of short stories. In that experience, I was repeatedly drawn to the recognition that Boccaccio's characters were "just exactly like people I know" today. Their "human nature" is just like the "human nature" to be found today. But you can go all the way back to ancient Egypt and find writings that deal with the same existential problems and concerns that people still have today. For instance, the anonymous work, "Dispute of a Man, Who Contemplates Suicide, With His Soul," which dates back to the First Intermediate Period, c. 2,000 B.C.

In short, man is not "clay" for a Gurdjieff or a Creme to refashion at will.

We need to remember the prophetic words of another fictional character, Dostoevsky's Ivan Karamazov, who declared that in a world beyond Good and Evil, "all things are permissible." I gather that is the entire point of the "God is dead" movement....

For without God, there is no Logos to serve as the criterion that enables us to make free judgments regarding matters of Good and Evil, thus no foundation for moral behavior.

You wrote: "A lot of Christian groups are NOT based on balanced thinking but are purely emotional." Again, what on earth is "balanced thinking" when there is no criterion by which rational thinking can proceed in the first place? Plus, what is wrong with "emotion," with human feeling? Are you suggesting that emotion and reason are somehow necessarily mutually exclusive? How can that be, since every man possesses both those faculties?

Perhaps you have been persuaded that faith and reason are mutually-exclusive. That has become a very fashionable canard these days. But if you believe this, then all I can say is that you do not understand Christianity, and its great historical tradition as a fides quaerens intellectum, in which the Christian (at least some of them) see themselves as engaged in a quest, a search that begins in faith — seeking the reason of one's faith, or faithful understanding of the Creation God made.

This is a highly rational activity, for sure. Consider the heartfelt, emotional statement of Anselm of Cantebury, which is also a model of rational thinking, based on direct experience:

O Lord, you are not only that than which a greater cannot be conceived, but you are greater than what can be conceived. — Proslogion XV.

[Descarte expressed a similar idea when he noted that the idea of God is necessary to the formulation of any other idea the human mind can conceive.]

DeniseMilani, have you ever read the Holy Scriptures? If not, I hope you will. I also hope that you will see that it is a monumental work of divine self-revelation, that comprehensively deals with God's Great Hierarchy of Being, constituted by four partners: God–Man–World [Creation]–Society.

The God–Man relation is absolutely primary; the other two partners derive from that relation....

Nothing ever written by man could be more "comprehensive" about the human existential position/condition than what the Lord has revealed to us in Holy Scripture....

Plus not one jot of Holy Scripture has been "falsified" by science....

Just some thoughts, FWTW.

In closing,

God's Name is: I AM.

876 posted on 05/21/2012 12:14:36 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
For without God, there is no Logos to serve as the criterion that enables us to make free judgments regarding matters of Good and Evil, thus no foundation for moral behavior.

SO very true, dearest sister in Christ!

Absent objective truth, there is no basis for a rational observation.

Thank you so much for your splendid essay-posts!

877 posted on 05/21/2012 12:46:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: spirited irish; DeniseMilani; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; metmom; Matchett-PI
Next is the widely accepted idea that transcendent Truth and authority are divisive, intolerant, bigotted and hateful. Each man it is said, is the supreme inventer of his own truth.

Simply outstanding observations, dear sister in Christ! (I particularly resonated to the above italics — no human society can cohere in truth and justice, let alone liberty, under such a supposition.)

Thank you, oh so very much, for your wonderful essay/post!

878 posted on 05/21/2012 12:50:21 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Alamo-Girl; mitch5501; DeniseMilani; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN
For people who think a drug high equates to spiritual insight, anesthesiologists must be like high priests. LOLOL!

Simply hilarious, dearest sister in Christ!

Left to his own devices, sinful man will choose the "god" who lets him do what he already wants to do.

Indeed, this is the whole point of Dostoevsky's chilling "Parable of the Grand Inquisitor."

The Grand Inquisitor is glad to let the people sin, even encourages them to do it (supposedly taking their sins upon himself) because he knows this is the fastest route to thoroughly enslaving them ... which is the total inversion of the Sacrifice and Atonement of Christ, Whose divine purpose is to liberate human souls....

Just my two-cent's worth, FWIW.

Thank you ever so much for writing, dearest sister in Christ!

879 posted on 05/21/2012 1:07:21 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: Alamo-Girl; mitch5501; DeniseMilani; metmom; Coleus; YHAOS; grey_whiskers; MHGinTN
Absent objective truth, there is no basis for a rational observation.

Exactly so, dearest sister in Christ!

Not to mention that the word "logic" is rooted in the idea of Logos....

Which is "in" the world, Alpha to Omega, from first to last, from beginning to end.

Which is why the world is as it is, and not some other way.

Thank you so very much for writing, dearest sister in Christ, and for your kind words of support!

880 posted on 05/21/2012 1:13:16 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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