Posted on 02/20/2011 2:29:33 PM PST by marshmallow
Ping!
There was not a saint pope for 500 years till Pius X (died 1914). After Vatican II the progressives changed all rules for sainthood. They removed the devils advocate and made just 1 miracle enough for being ranked among the blessed. Not only was the number changed , but the the criteria for judging something miraculous was DILUTED ***. Result - JPII beatified more people than ALL the other popes of 1900+ years put together! No surprise that they beatify JPII. It's a joke.
The progressives wanted one of their own as a Blessed, they made one, JPII, the icon of the post Vatican II religion of the effeminates. The pope that presided over the greatest devastation of the Catholic faithful in the history of mankind. I doubt that 1% of Catholics today really practice the faith. I DOUBT that 1%! He presided over a hierarchy and clergy that homofied the priesthood, and dumbed down the few faithful left that still went to mass.
“In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is king”.
***P.S.- this JPII Sister Marie “miracle” is totally suspect. For one, there was considerable doubt that she even had Parkinson's. Moreover, she did not claim that the cure was instantaneous, the common occurrence for a miracle. She said that she began to feel better some time later, and went back to work. Cures of internal maladies that are hidden from view and whose etiology is uncertain, are often used by shysters and are the favorite of TV evangelists.
At the time, the thought of the end of soviet tyranny seemed miraculous, but his actions to me seem more ones of inspiration, will and dedication to a cause. All very noble - but miraculous?
St. Joseph of Cupertino on the other hand could fly.
I’m a Catholic because of Pope John Paul. Maybe that’s a “miracle,” or maybe it’s just the natural process of reason. Not my job to decide.
George Weigel is cool, and I’m going to take a few days for a massive celebration for JP2’s beatification. Maybe Fidel Castro will coincidentally pass away, and we can have our long delayed Cuba Libre blowout. If not, we can have a “Blessed Pope John Paul II” Cuban blowout.
Gotta check the church calendar, because it would be nice if we could use their kitchen and the picnic pavilion, instead of having it at my house.
St. Joseph of Cupertino is neato, but whom did his flying help, convert, heal, or liberate?
“Cuba Libre”
I love Cuba Libres. My Cuban cousins taught me all about them...and also about good cigars! We are an ethnically interesting family.
Me.
Great testimony.
By flying? Well that’s neat! If you want to come to my Pope John Paul Cuba Libre (esperamos ...) whoop-up and promote St. Joseph of Cupertino, that would be fine. Bring food and some folding chairs.
You’re invited. One of the ladies in my prayer group is on the parish council. When we meet on Wednesday, I’m going to propose a parish-wide JPII celebration. If the council doesn’t think that’s the thing, I’ll work on organizing a Hispanic Ministry fiesta, and if we have to have it on our street, arriba. At least I know where the bathrooms are.
You could bring dolmas, Uncle K. Hispanos don’t use grape leaves unless they originated as Lebanese.
When I first started learning to fly, my first flight instruction had this little metal pendant stuck on the instrument panel. He explained that it was St. Joseph the patron saint of pilots. At the time I was a real playboy - didn't go to church, didn't read the Bible, that was for suckers, but our of curiosity I read up on this Saint Joseph.
It led me to Christ.
If you want to come to my Pope John Paul Cuba Libre (esperamos ...) whoop-up and promote St. Joseph of Cupertino, that would be fine.
If I come, I'll fly.
Wow, amazing. I’ll bet St. Joseph is just thrilled ... and coincidentally, you can celebrate *any* St. Joseph on May 1 ;-).
There are a couple of small airports within five miles of my house. My two oldest sons went on a “Young Eagles” flight about a year ago. My father was a pilot, so it’s in the family. I don’t have good hand-eye coordination or a strong stomach, but Bill and Tom might!
From - Beatification and Canonization - New Advent.org
“Canonization is a precept of the Roman Pontiff commanding public veneration to be paid an individual by the Universal Church.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm
From the Holy See
“the Roman Pontiff alone is competent to declare a devotion to a Servant of God.” -(Benedict XVI)
LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE PLENARY SESSION
OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE CAUSES OF SAINTS
The process of the declaration of devotion is always subject to the power and authority of the Holy See.
When we look at the lives of those who have faithfully followed Christ, we are inspired with a new reason for seeking the City that is to come (274) and at the same time we are shown a most safe path by which among the vicissitudes of this world, in keeping with the state in life and condition proper to each of us, we will be able to arrive at perfect union with Christ, that is, perfect holiness. (11*) In the lives of those who, sharing in our humanity, are however more perfectly transformed into the image of Christ,(275) God vividly manifests His presence and His face to men. He speaks to us in them, and gives us a sign of His Kingdom,(12*) to which we are strongly drawn, having so great a cloud of witnesses over us - (Lumen gentium EN 50)
From Lumen Gentium it is clear that God alone makes men and women saints. Only the authority to declare devotion to a servant of outstanding virtue belongs to The Holy See.
>>- but miraculous?
St. Joseph of Cupertino on the other hand could fly. <<
LOL!!!!
Spot ON!
"This general agreement of theologians as to papal infallibility in canonization must not be extended to beatification, ... Canonists and theologians generally deny the infallible character of decrees of beatification, whether formal or equivalent, since it is always a permission, not a command; while it leads to canonization, it is not the last step. Moreover, in most cases, the cultus permitted by beatification, is restricted to a determined province, city, or religious body (Benedict XIV, op. cit., I, xlii)".
JPII is a media created hero of the world, and the dumb down feelings oriented Catholics which were educated under his watch and Paul VI's.
Why are you mentioning or celebrating Fidel’s death?
Truly these priests are the fruits of the prayers,teachings, and living witness of JPII. Truly he is JP II The Great!
Canonists and theologians generally deny the infallible character of decrees of beatification, whether formal or equivalent, since it is always a permission, not a command; while it leads to canonization, it is not the last step. Moreover, in most cases, the cultus permitted by beatification, is restricted to a determined province, city, or religious body (Benedict XIV, op. cit., I, xlii)
See, hear you should have read further and realized that beatification is a step to canonization. Since his beatification is what is happening it is only a short step from there to the canon.
Where:
The canonization of confessors or martyrs may be taken up as soon as two miracles are reported to have been worked at their intercession, after the pontifical permission of public veneration as described above. At this stage it is only required that the two miracles worked after the permission awarding a public cultus be discussed in three meetings of the congregation. The discussion proceeds in the ordinary way; if the miracles be confirmed another meeting (super tuto) is held. The pope then issues a Bull of Canonization in which he not only permits, but commands, the public cultus, or veneration, of the saint.
If JPII is to be canonized it is a commanded the public cultus. I don't think Benedict XVI is likely to stop at beatification, but neither you or I actually get to decide.
Actually, if one looks at the timeline of incidents of clerical abuse over the last half century or so, you'll find that the curve starts to spike dramatically upward between about 1959 and 1970. Most of the clergy responsible for those incidents would have been ordained in the 1950s or earlier, i.e. pre-Vatican II, when all was supposedly hunky-dory in the Catholic world.
In contrast, the curve starts to trend downward around 1980, shortly after JPII was elected.
You're going to be a busy man. As time passes and more miracles attributable to JPII begin to accumulate, you'll really have your work cut out explaining away all of them and pouring cold water on all the reports of vocations arising from his pontificate.
What a sad, negative way to spend one's life.
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