Posted on 02/20/2011 2:29:33 PM PST by marshmallow
John Paul II was one of the worst popes in the history of the Church, the stamp of his reign was that during his reign everyone in the world was allowed to do whatever they wanted, and the faithful were further dumb down.
John Paul II is a "saint" of the World (of The City of Man), not of the Catholic Church. Compare his funeral to that of Pius IX, who was despised by the World. Read about Pius IX's funeral.
You are in denial. He was a pope for 26+ years and removed no clerics and excommunicated no one. People with eyes to see will see the irony of calling him a saint, they already have. Any Catholic who thinks that JPII is a saint, does not know what a saint is.
re:You’re going to be a busy man. As time passes and more miracles attributable to JPII begin to accumulate.
Call me when you have ONE real miracle. They had to event one to get him beatified.
How lucky we are to have you to guide us.
Only two sainted popes in like 500 years (only 3 in 700+) Pope St. Pius V - died 1572, beatified 1672, canonized 1712 There are many blessed that have never been canonized. Ironically, the vast majority by JPII.
A blessed is not a Saint. B-16's decision is not infallible, nor binding. It's just like the Vatican II ambiguities, it's not infallible, it's not binding, but it serves the purpose, to give the people what they want, with an apparent stamp of authority.
B-16 had a freebie on this one, one bogus miracle, no devils advocate, the world clamoring. The next step, canonization, is considered by theologians to be infallible. B-16 won't have it so easy.
I hope I'm around when that happens.
The naysayers' heads will explode.
What will you do?
Here’s the problem with ultra-traditionalists. They think everything should be the way it was before Vatican II. Most of these people have not even read Vatican II.
That’s like me asking you; “What will you do when John Paul II is excommunicated, like Pope Honorius I was excommunicated, 45 years after he died?”.
Today, I doubt that 1% of Catholics know the Faith PERIOD.
99% of Catholics do not LIVE the Faith (for one, they do not/have not had the children that God willed for them, a mortal sin of the worst order).
ONLY among the traditionalists do I see large families. I do not see hypocrisy in their Catholicism, like I see with practically all other Catholics.
The traditionalists say we can't follow that pope when he teaches novelty contrary to antiquity.
The few Novus Ordo Catholics today who still go to mass (only +5% in Europe), are just dumbed down Protestants who “say’ they follow the pope, but in reality just do as they please: immodest dress, annulments, divorce, contraceptives, don't have the children God wills for them, don't go to confession (sacrilegious communions)etc.
Who's going to excommunicate him?
You?
Seriously, JPII will be a saint one day. You know it. I know it.
What happens then?
Do we go with the idea that one day it will be reversed? Do we become sede vacantists? Do we proclaim ourselves pope?
Where would a St. John Paul II leave the likes of verdugo?
What kind of a question is that? It is going to be the same authorities who excommunicated Pope Honorius I, for doing MUCH less than JPII.
Another pope is going to some along and excommunicate JPII?
Will that be before or after he's canonized?
It is not my hope. AND again you ask me a question on something that has not happened, his canonization.
My hope is that Catholics begin LIVING the faith, for once they do that, they will SEE.
The Catholic college I attended, the average tutor's family was seven children. My Norvus Ordo parish has an average of six children per family.
So take a chill pill and realize that putting your erroneous statements in caps and bold doesn't help anyone take you anymore seriously.
And this is to be blamed on Vatican II? Your rash conclusions are quite baffling.
People who think Church councils go without a glitch are living in fantasy land. The council of Trent took 100 years to impliment. There’s been a lot of confusion following a council.
And you know this HOW? You can see their souls? Sounds like rash judgment to me. The Catholic college I attended, the average tutor's family was seven children. My Norvus Ordo parish has an average of six children per family.
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I know that only +5% of Catholics in Europe attend mass, by looking up the statistics.
I know that most Catholics are dumbed down by the articles i read in bulletins and diocene newspapers ( they are written at a 3rd grade level), and the responses I get when I discuss the faith.
I know that Catholics are not having the children that God wills for them, because it is rare to find a large Catholic family anywhere, and it was common through all of history.
If your Novus ordo parish has an average of 6 children per family, that is excellent. That's a very high average. Where is it, so I can go see it for myself, I have never seen such a thing outside of some traditonalist.
Strawman.
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