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Vatican Hammers Conservative Catholic Bloggers
Ministry Values ^
| January 24, 2011
| Stephen K. Ryan
Posted on 01/25/2011 8:32:50 AM PST by Alex Murphy
You know who you are out there.
Vatican's social communications office, Archbishop Claudio Celli, according to AP reports said it was right "to direct the pope's exhortation to some conservative Catholic blogs, YouTube channels and sites which, with some vehemence, criticize bishops, public officials and policies they consider not Catholic enough."
From America Magazine
"Taliban Catholicism" is John Allen's description of web-based McCarthyism on the rise in the Catholic blogosphere and undoubtedly this is what the Vatican was referring to. Pressure is on to radically change the Roman Catholic Church in America, but it's not coming from the usual liberal suspects. A new self proclaimed beed of theological conservatives has taken to blogs and YouTube to say the church isn't Catholic enough. Many of these conservative catholics have been enraged by dissent that they believe has gone unchecked for decades, and unafraid to say so in the starkest language, these activists are naming names and unsettling the church.
-In the Archdiocese of Boston, parishioners are dissecting the work of a top adviser to the cardinal for any hint of Marxist influence.
-Bloggers are combing through campaign finance records to expose staff of Catholic agencies who donate to politicians who support abortion rights.
-RealCatholicTV.com, working from studios in suburban Detroit, is hunting for "traitorous" nuns, priests or bishops throughout the American church. "We're no more engaged in a witch hunt than a doctor excising a cancer is engaged in a witch hunt," said Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com and St. Michael's Media. "We're just shining a spotlight on people who are Catholics who do not live the faith." John Allen, Vatican analyst for the National Catholic Reporter, has dubbed this trend "Taliban Catholicism."
AP said that "Benedict echoed many of the same themes he has voiced in years past about the benefits and dangers of the digital age, saying social networks are a wonderful way to build relationships and community. But he warned against replacing real friendships with virtual ones and warned against the temptation to create artificial public profiles rather than authentic ones. " "The risk is there, there's no doubt," Celli said in response to a question. He confirmed that the Pontifical Council for Social Communications was working on a set of guidelines with recommendations for appropriate style and behavior for Catholics online.
"I don't love such things, but I think we can define some points of reference for behavior," he said, adding that he hoped such a document would come out as soon as possible.
"There exists a Christian way of communication which is honest and open, responsible and respectful of others," he wrote. "To proclaim the Gospel through the new media means not only to insert expressly religious content into different media platforms, but also to witness consistently, in one's own digital profile and in the way one communicates choices, preference and judgments that are fully consistent with the Gospel."
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You know who you are out there. Vatican's social communications office, Archbishop Claudio Celli, according to AP reports said it was right "to direct the pope's exhortation to some conservative Catholic blogs, YouTube channels and sites which, with some vehemence, criticize bishops, public officials and policies they consider not Catholic enough"....
....He confirmed that the Pontifical Council for Social Communications was working on a set of guidelines with recommendations for appropriate style and behavior for Catholics online.
To: Alex Murphy
One thing you can count on is the “American” getting it wrong when it comes to what the Vatican says.
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posted on
01/25/2011 8:37:35 AM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: Alex Murphy
“Benedict echoed many of the same themes he has voiced in years past about the benefits and dangers of the digital age, saying social networks are a wonderful way to build relationships and community. But he warned against replacing real friendships with virtual ones and warned against the temptation to create artificial public profiles rather than authentic ones.”
I don’t see anything in that statement that indicates it’s directed at conservative Catholic sites vs. liberal Catholic sites.
Nice try, America magazine!
To: Alex Murphy
We can really trust AP and America Magazine to accurately report....right?
Personally, I think this is worthy of a bit more investigation. Perhaps, we could also focus on those who lean relativistically on many things Catholic.
And, YES, I do believe all Catholics need to humbly be open to constructive criticism.
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posted on
01/25/2011 8:42:55 AM PST
by
SumProVita
(Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
To: Alex Murphy
I’d like to hear/see the actual remarks Archbishop Celli made. AP is famously anti-Christian, and especially, Anti-Catholic. Until I read that, I discount this. Utterly.
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posted on
01/25/2011 8:46:16 AM PST
by
sayuncledave
(A cruce salus)
To: Alex Murphy
"...undoubtedly this is what the Vatican was referring to." America magazine, Medjugorje sites -- I've gotta hand it to you, you have really Catholic tastes, Alex my brother!
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posted on
01/25/2011 8:47:31 AM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Even so, come, Lord Jesus.)
Comment #7 Removed by Moderator
To: lastchance
You are right about that, the magazine hates it when Catholics disagree with Liberal Orthodoxy. .
But I will continue call pro aborts ‘not Catholic enough’
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posted on
01/25/2011 8:50:11 AM PST
by
Never on my watch
(When Obama was born, the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" was in production. Coincidence?)
To: Alex Murphy
I’m not a Catholic, but I would encourage my Christian brothers and sister who are to remain highly vigilant. Don’t let liberals “soften” the stance of the church or you’ll end up like far too many Protestant denominations who now have “practicing” homosexuals serving in leadership positions and who have removed all semblance of moral teaching against abortion.
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:00:06 AM PST
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: Alex Murphy
“Taliban Catholicism” is John Allen’s description of web-based McCarthyism “
Obviously John Allen knows nothing about Joe McCarthy. Especially the part about him being CORRECT in virtually 100% of his hearings.
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:10:14 AM PST
by
Cyman
To: Alex Murphy
Vatican Hammers CMR!
The Vatican has hammered CMR, well it has if you listen to Stephen K. Ryan at MinistryValues.com. Mr. Ryan has dubbed us, along with others, as "Taliban Catholics" singled out for rebuke by the no less than the Pope himself in his call for those engaged in Catholic social media to be mindful that ""The proclamation of the Gospel requires a communication which is at once respectful and sensitive."
Vatican Hammers Conservative Catholic Bloggers
You know who you are out there.
Vatican's social communications office, Archbishop Claudio Celli, said it was certainly correct to direct the pope's exhortation to some conservative Catholic blogs, YouTube channels and sites which, with some vehemence, criticize bishops, public officials and policies they consider not Catholic enough.
"Taliban Catholicism" is John Allen's description of web-based McCarthyism on the rise in the Catholic blogosphere and undoubtedly this is what the Vatican was referring to.
Pressure is on to radically change the Roman Catholic Church in America, but it's not coming from the usual liberal suspects. A new self proclaimed beed of theological conservatives has taken to blogs and YouTube spearheaded by Michael Voris to say the church isn't Catholic enough. Many of these conservative catholics have been enraged by dissent that they believe has gone unchecked for decades, and unafraid to say so in the starkest language, these activists are naming names and unsettling the church.
-In the Archdiocese of Boston, parishioners are dissecting the work of a top adviser to the cardinal for any hint of Marxist influence.
-Bloggers are combing through campaign finance records to expose staff of Catholic agencies who donate to politicians who support abortion rights.
-RealCatholicTV.com, working from studios in suburban Detroit, is hunting for "traitorous" nuns, priests or bishops throughout the American church.
I suppose that "Bloggers are combing through campaign finance records to expose staff of Catholic agencies who donate to politicians who support abortion rights," refers to CMR if not also others.
Good, we embrace our designation as Taliban Catholics. I think Mr. Ryan misinterprets the Pope's words to mean that people with whom Mr. Ryan disagrees should shut up.
We here at CMR love the Church, love our Bishops, and even try to be respectful of stupid people. Stupid ideas, well that is another thing altogether.
Taking the Pope's admonition to be repectful and sensitive, let me just say this to Mr. Ryan. I respect you. I am sensitive to you. I would like to know how you interpret the Pope's words in a way that allows you to assert that the Vatican "hammers" conservative Catholics (aka people you don't like) and to call us names like "Taliban Catholic." Do you think that properly embraces what the Pope was getting at when he called for respect and sensitivity?
Now others, way less respectful and sensitive than I, might call such a thing blatant hypocrisy and downright laughingly stupid. But not me. No, not me.
To: Alex Murphy
"Taliban Catholicism" is John Allen's description of web-based McCarthyism on the rise in the Catholic blogosphere......
You called.....??
Mullah Marshmallow reporting for duty........... :-)
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:19:20 AM PST
by
marshmallow
("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
To: Alex Murphy
According to the AP?
Knowing the source, I’ll wait 48 hours before I take this seriously.
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:20:17 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
To: vladimir998; AlexW
Myself, I follow the teachings of the Pope in Rome, not the ‘Black Pope’ of the ‘Catholic’ Jesuits.
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:46:30 AM PST
by
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
To: marshmallow
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posted on
01/25/2011 9:47:42 AM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Even so, come, Lord Jesus.)
To: Juana la Loca
Peculiar to America are the problems of the Church. In this era when marxism is showing its teeth in our government and communists openly organize, even among the young who think communism is trendy, the Church is not going to escape the tenacles of the trend.
However, it is also apparent that many among the people of God are experiencing a spring time, and can be found restoring and renewing the faith, and have spiritually gotten out in front of the heirarchy in matters of faith and practice, patiently and not so patiently having to drag their priests and bishops back to Tradition.
A natural tension is rising between a wounded laity who are very well informed of their faith, Church Dogma, and the pious practices, but who are left longing for spiritual shepherds, of which many have become administrative ones, with divergent paper agendas and hurried homilies ordered from some clearing house, dry and elementary.
A sincere adherence to rubrics demonstrates respect, for not only the Faith but for the Catholics in the pew, and it should not be too much to ask of the priests and the bishops to meet the standard.
Tithes and offerings and cash support are the people’s treasure, and it is painful for the faithful to see it politicized, when it appears for all to see that it is allocated year after year to some cause which diometrically opposes the teachings of the Church, linked directly to promoting pro-choice politics, and even ACORN.
The west coast bishops, in their single minded effort to justify amnesty, proclaim only one side of the arguement, ignoring the arguements of Catholics who oppose the decade long Mexican invasion of the nation by illegal aliens. The Church, has long practiced order and deliberation for itself in matters of process, and consequences for a breach of order and process is not a foreign concept for the Church. If our nation is thought of as our home, neither the Church nor the Catechism supports criminal invasion, but rather respects reasonable laws of a nation to define its own order and process, defense and consequences.
A rocky time right now, but fascinating and rather expected given the historic example of the Church and her martyrs.
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posted on
01/25/2011 10:00:55 AM PST
by
RitaOK
To: Never on my watch
What I don’t get is why they don’t just join a sect that says abortion is o.k. heck even a “blessing”. I wonder if they’re stance as dissidents matters more to them then going someplace they would be welcome and lauded?
Yes by jove I think I’ve got it!!!
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posted on
01/25/2011 10:03:58 AM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: Never on my watch
Brain squabble in last post that should be their not they’re. Criminy gal watch what you type.
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posted on
01/25/2011 10:05:03 AM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
To: Alex Murphy
I find it amusing that liberal Catholics desire lay people to be involved in management of the Church and to have authority alongside or even above bishops. But if those very lay people choose to criticize liberal bishops then suddenly it is "taliban Catholicism."
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posted on
01/25/2011 11:30:37 AM PST
by
cothrige
To: Never on my watch
I will continue to call pro-aborts as “pro-killing-babies”.
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posted on
01/25/2011 2:04:21 PM PST
by
Cronos
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