King's God: The Unknown Faith of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Tikkun Magazine ^ | Nov./Dec. '09 | Robert James "Be" Scofield

[Cronos]

you are correct

[Zionist Conspirator]

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[SoConPubbie]

I think we should read a balanced view rather than just one article. How valid is a writer who writes about someone after he is dead? Perhaps he’s correct, perhaps not, I think we needs to read more about this.

Since he liberally sprinkles his article with direct quotes both from King and his college papers, I think it is correct, unless someone can provide quotes where he does a 180 on his stated beliefs concerning Christianity.

As it is, MLK was not a Christian.

He denied Christ and God in multiple ways, effectively setting himself up as wiser than the Apostles and the Christ as witnessed in the Bible.

[SoConPubbie]

It's like those who hold Gandhi as a great leader -- he was hindu, but that does not take away from what he did and I don't see why a Christian cannot still hold Gandhi as a great MAN (note: MAN, human being with human faults and failures -- the greatness part is overcoming those human frailures (:) and doing something great)

Part of the reason he was revered as much as he was by a large percentage of Americans was that he was a CHRISTIAN minister and did these things.

As for this Christian, this removes a whole lot of luster and most of my respect.

And the primary reason for this are my priorities as a Christian, namely, God is first, and everything else is second, third, and so on.

Apparently MLK was not a Christian and more closely aligned with Marx.

[Cronos]

you probably are right. I don’t know enough to comment.

[Zionist Conspirator]

you probably are right. I don’t know enough to comment.

If you think the entire thrust of our criticism of King is that he admired a non-chr*tian (Gandhi), then you didn't even read the article to begin with.

Martin Luther King was a liberal theologian who regarded the Bible as mythology whose only use was to provide utilitarian life-lessons about achieving "social justice."

Perhaps your theology is similar?

[Cronos]

1. I read the article

2. Where exactly did you read that I thought that "the entire thrust of our criticism of King is that he admired a non-chr*tian (Gandhi)"

3. Nope, that's not my theology -- is it yours?

4. Don't try to pick a fight over nothing -- I disputed a story about MLK's beliefs which seemed too way-out non-Christian for me to believe. You and soCon pointed out good points which showed that the article was not just one-sided. I acknowledged that you were right. Be happy that you've proved your point in a civilised manner, the moment you go into this "let's flame", you stop anyone listening to you -- remain civil and point out the facts and you'll find a lot better results

[AnalogReigns]

Unitarians don’t claim to be “Christians” in any ordinary sense. No (small “o”) orthodox Christian denomination (Presbyterian, Baptist, Roman Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Eastern Orthodox, etc.) will call Unitarianism Christian either.

Christians all acknowledge one God in three Persons, the holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)...Unitarians by definition (hence the name...) do not.

Not trying to dis anyone, its just a fact.

[AnalogReigns]

Unitarianism started as a radical rejection of Puritan Calvinism, highly influenced by the rationalism of the Enlightenment in the 18th and 19th Century.

Jefferson’s rational skepticism made him reject the idea of the Trinity, while he never rejected the existence of God. Some called him a Deist....which he strongly denied (it was similar to being called an outright atheist today). He also reflected belief that God intervened in history—which is counter to the absent-God/watchmaker assumption of deism. Therefore since he did reject the divinity of Christ, and the Trinity, that, by definition, made Jefferson unitarian—even though the formal denomination of that name was not founded yet.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Unitarians don’t claim to be “Christians” in any ordinary sense. No (small “o”) orthodox Christian denomination (Presbyterian, Baptist, Roman Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Eastern Orthodox, etc.) will call Unitarianism Christian either.

Unitarianism was a very mainstream Protestant denomination in the nineteenth century. It later left the orbit of chr*stianity altogether.

Christians all acknowledge one God in three Persons, the holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)...Unitarians by definition (hence the name...) do not.

There are also "Oneness Pentecostals."

There are two kinds of "unitarians": fundamentalist unitarians (like the OP's) and liberal unitarians (like the UU's). While both reject the "trinity," they are still as different from each other as can be. One rejects the trinity because it believes J*sus was a mere human (and thus rejects chr*stian soteriology, the miracles, etc.) and one simply believes J*sus alone is "god" and that Heaven was vacant while he was on earth. This group accepts soteriology and all the miracles.

[AnalogReigns]

All well and good. None-the-less even if socially, Unitarians were seen as mainstream in the 19th Century (especially in New England where they started), and some were more radical than others.... no orthodox theologian has ever regarded any group which rejects the holy Trinity as an actual Christian group. Yes, that does apply to Oneness Pentacostals, who, while not unitarian.... repeat the (very early) heresy of modalism.

Can an individual be saved who denies some essential of Christian orthodoxy? God knows. All I can say is that the early creeds were designed for a reason: To divide Christian (groups) from non.

[AnalogReigns]

FYI: My great-grandfather was a Unitarian (despite being VERY conservative politically...), unfortunately, to his peril, so I’m not speaking lightly.

[Zionist Conspirator]

1)I'm not a chr*stian, so have no position on anyone's "salvation."

2)I don't think you got the point about fundamentalist unitarians like the Oneness Pentecostals. They may not believe in the "trinity," but they accept the Bible's inerrancy and historicity with none of the scientism and higher criticism of many "orthodox" trinitarian churches.

[Dajjal]

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[MeshugeMikey]

Noneof this Information can be “public Knowledge” and we can count on few media sources to expose kings broken thrology or his political leanings

Thank you,

[Zionist Conspirator]

Time for the annual "bump" for this article.

Everything you need to know about the atheist fraud turned "demigxd" from a friendly source.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Final bump for MLK day.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Annual bump for this expose (from a friendly source) of a religious fraud. Why doesn’t his niece admit the truth???

[Zionist Conspirator]

Oops! Didn't mean to ping myself!

Annual bump for an expose of a religious fraud!

[foreverfree]

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