Posted on 01/10/2011 5:06:57 AM PST by Paragon Defender
Dallin H. Oaks, Have You Been Saved?, Ensign, May 1998, 55
As Latter-day Saints use the words saved and salvation, there are at least six different meanings.
What do we say when someone asks us, Have you been saved? This question, so common in the conversation of some Christians, can be puzzling to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because it is not our usual way of speaking. We tend to speak of saved or salvation as a future event rather than something that has already been realized.
Good Christian people sometimes attach different meanings to some key gospel terms like saved or salvation. If we answer according to what our questioner probably means in asking if we have been saved, our answer must be yes. If we answer according to the various meanings we attach to the terms saved or salvation, our answer will be either yes or yes, but with conditions.
As I understand what is meant by the good Christians who speak in these terms, we are saved when we sincerely declare or confess that we have accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. This meaning relies on words the Apostle Paul taught the Christians of his day:
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (Rom. 10:910).
To Latter-day Saints, the words saved and salvation in this teaching signify a present covenant relationship with Jesus Christ in which we are assured salvation from the consequences of sin if we are obedient. Every sincere Latter-day Saint is saved according to this meaning. We have been converted to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, we have experienced repentance and baptism, and we are renewing our covenants of baptism by partaking of the sacrament.
As Latter-day Saints use the words saved and salvation, there are at least six different meanings. According to some of these, our salvation is assuredwe are already saved. In others, salvation must be spoken of as a future event (e.g., 1 Cor. 5:5) or as conditioned upon a future event (e.g., Mark 13:13). But in all of these meanings, or kinds of salvation, salvation is in and through Jesus Christ.
First, all mortals have been saved from the permanence of death through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive (1 Cor. 15:22).
As to salvation from sin and the consequences of sin, our answer to the question of whether or not we have been saved is yes, but with conditions. Our third article of faith declares our belief:
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel (A of F 1:3).
Many Bible verses declare that Jesus came to take away the sins of the world (e.g., John 1:29; Matt. 26:28). The New Testament frequently refers to the grace of God and to salvation by grace (e.g., John 1:17; Acts 15:11; Eph. 2:8). But it also has many specific commandments on personal behavior, and many references to the importance of works (e.g., Matt. 5:16; Eph. 2:10; James 2:1417). In addition, the Savior taught that we must endure to the end in order to be saved (see Matt. 10:22; Mark 13:13).
Relying upon the totality of Bible teachings and upon clarifications received through modern revelation, we testify that being cleansed from sin through Christs Atonement is conditioned upon the individual sinners faith, which must be manifested by obedience to the Lords command to repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:3738). Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Jesus taught, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5; see also Mark 16:16; Acts 2:3738). Believers who have had this required rebirth at the hands of those having authority have already been saved from sin conditionally, but they will not be saved finally until they have completed their mortal probation with the required continuing repentance, faithfulness, service, and enduring to the end.
Some Christians accuse Latter-day Saints who give this answer of denying the grace of God through claiming they can earn their own salvation. We answer this accusation with the words of two Book of Mormon prophets. Nephi taught, For we labor diligently to persuade our children to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do (2 Ne. 25:23). And what is all we can do? It surely includes repentance (see Alma 24:11) and baptism, keeping the commandments, and enduring to the end. Moroni pleaded, Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ (Moro. 10:32).
We are not saved in our sins, as by being unconditionally saved through confessing Christ and then, inevitably, committing sins in our remaining lives (see Alma 11:3637). We are saved from our sins (see Hel. 5:10) by a weekly renewal of our repentance and cleansing through the grace of God and His blessed plan of salvation (see 3 Ne. 9:2022).
The question of whether a person has been saved is sometimes phrased in terms of whether that person has been born again. Being born again is a familiar reference in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. As noted earlier, Jesus taught that except a man was born again (John 3:3), of water and of the Spirit, he could not enter into the kingdom of God (see John 3:5). The Book of Mormon has many teachings about the necessity of being born again or born of God (Mosiah 27:25; see Mosiah 27:2426; Alma 36:24, 26; Moses 6:59). As we understand these scriptures, our answer to whether we have been born again is clearly yes. We were born again when we entered into a covenant relationship with our Savior by being born of water and of the Spirit and by taking upon us the name of Jesus Christ. We can renew that rebirth each Sabbath when we partake of the sacrament.
Latter-day Saints affirm that those who have been born again in this way are spiritually begotten sons and daughters of Jesus Christ (see Mosiah 5:7; Mosiah 15:913; Mosiah 27:25). Nevertheless, in order to realize the intended blessings of this born-again status, we must still keep our covenants and endure to the end. In the meantime, through the grace of God, we have been born again as new creatures with new spiritual parentage and the prospects of a glorious inheritance.
A fourth meaning of being saved is to be saved from the darkness of ignorance of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, and of the purpose of life, and of the destiny of men and women. The gospel made known to us by the teachings of Jesus Christ has given us this salvation. I am the light of the world, Jesus taught; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life (John 8:12; see also John 12:46).
For Latter-day Saints, being saved can also mean being saved or delivered from the second death (meaning the final spiritual death) by assurance of a kingdom of glory in the world to come (see 1 Cor. 15:4042). Just as the Resurrection is universal, we affirm that every person who ever lived upon the face of the earthexcept for a very fewis assured of salvation in this sense. As we read in modern revelation:
And this is the gospel, the glad tidings
That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness;
That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;
Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him (D&C 76:4043; emphasis added).
The prophet Brigham Young taught that doctrine when he declared that every person who does not sin away the day of grace, and become an angel to the Devil, will be brought forth to inherit a kingdom of glory (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 288). This meaning of saved ennobles the whole human race through the grace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In this sense of the word, all should answer: Yes, I have been saved. Glory to God for the gospel and gift and grace of His Son!
Finally, in another usage familiar and unique to Latter-day Saints, the words saved and salvation are also used to denote exaltation or eternal life (see Abr. 2:11). This is sometimes referred to as the fulness of salvation (Bruce R. McConkie, The Mortal Messiah, 4 vols. [197981], 1:242). This salvation requires more than repentance and baptism by appropriate priesthood authority. It also requires the making of sacred covenants, including eternal marriage, in the temples of God, and faithfulness to those covenants by enduring to the end. If we use the word salvation to mean exaltation, it is premature for any of us to say that we have been saved in mortality. That glorious status can only follow the final judgment of Him who is the Great Judge of the living and the dead.
I have suggested that the short answer to the question of whether a faithful member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been saved or born again must be a fervent yes. Our covenant relationship with our Savior puts us in that saved or born again condition meant by those who ask this question. Some modern prophets have also used salvation or saved in that same present sense. President Brigham Young declared:
It is present salvation and the present influence of the Holy Ghost that we need every day to keep us on saving ground.
I want present salvation. Life is for us, and it is for us to receive it today, and not wait for the Millennium. Let us take a course to be saved today (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1954], 1516). President David O. McKay spoke of the revealed gospel of Jesus Christ in that same present sense of salvation herehere and now (Gospel Ideals [1953], 6).
I will conclude by discussing another important question members and leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are asked by others: Why do you send missionaries to preach to other Christians? Sometimes this is asked with curiosity and sometimes with resentment.
My most memorable experience with that question occurred some years ago in what we then called the Eastern Bloc. After many years of Communist hostility to religion, these countries were suddenly and miraculously given a measure of religious freedom. When that door opened, many Christian faiths sent missionaries. As part of our preparation to do so, the First Presidency sent members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to meet with government and church leaders in these countries. Our assignment was to introduce ourselves and to explain what our missionaries would be doing.
Elder Russell M. Nelson and I called on the leader of the Orthodox Church in one of these countries. Here was a man who had helped keep the light of Christianity burning through the dark decades of Communist repression. I noted in my journal that he was a warm and gracious man who impressed me as a servant of the Lord. I mention this so that you will not think there was any spirit of arrogance or contention in our conversation of nearly an hour. Our visit was pleasant and cordial, filled with the goodwill that should always characterize conversations between men and women who love the Lord and seek to serve Him, each according to his or her own understanding.
Our host told us about the activities of his church during the period of Communist repression. He described the various difficulties his church and its work were experiencing as they emerged from that period and sought to regain their former position in the life of the country and the hearts of the people. We introduced ourselves and our fundamental beliefs. We explained that we would soon be sending missionaries into his country and told him how they would perform their labors.
He asked, Will your missionaries preach only to unbelievers, or will they also try to preach to believers? We replied that our message was for everyone, believers as well as unbelievers. We gave two reasons for this answerone a matter of principle and the other a matter of practicality. We told him that we preached to believers as well as unbelievers because our message, the restored gospel, makes an important addition to the knowledge, happiness, and peace of all mankind. As a matter of practicality, we preach to believers as well as unbelievers because we cannot tell the difference. I remember asking this distinguished leader, When you stand before a congregation and look into the faces of the people, can you tell the difference between those who are real believers and those who are not? He smiled wryly, and I sensed an admission that he had understood the point.
Through missionaries and members, the message of the restored gospel is going to all the world. To non-Christians, we witness of Christ and share the truths and ordinances of His restored gospel. To Christians we do the same. Even if a Christian has been saved in the familiar single sense discussed earlier, we teach that there remains more to be learned and more to be experienced. As President Hinckley recently said, [We are] not argumentative. We do not debate. We, in effect, simply say to others, Bring all the good that you have and let us see if we can add to it (The BYU Experience, BYU devotional address, 4 Nov. 1997).
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints offers all of the children of God the opportunity to learn the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ as restored in these latter days. We offer everyone the privilege of receiving all of the ordinances of salvation and exaltation.
We invite all to hear this message, and we invite all who receive the confirming witness of the Spirit to heed it. These things are true, I testify in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
The glaringly false part of that statement is left unsaid...this "covenant relationship between mormons and Jesus Christ" supposedly binds God/Christ by means of arcane rituals based mostly on Masonic practices which take place in secretive ceremonies and consist of handshakes worthy of an LA street gang, massaging the bare flesh of others with oil most likely purchased in bulk from Sam's club and chanting nonsense syllables reminiscent of the old song, "The Lion Sleeps Tonight". All the while wearing white jump suits, little aprons for both sexes and bakers' hats for the men.
Small wonder this takes part in a building that allows entrance only to mormons who meet the entrance requirements that include 10% of their lifetime income.
Well, they why does he blaspheme the LDS Jesus by trying to merge him with the Christian Jesus?
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In this case, to make them appear legitimate and to keep members in.
The internet has brought about a HUGE decline in membership of the LDS. And it is hurting them.
It is all about money and power and control.
Now that is real sick, one of the 12 Apostles of LDS.
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What is sicker is they equate themselves with the 12 apostles of the Bible.
Wow, and this would have been another caucus thread if the light wasn't shown on the nefarious practices of the LDS trying to steal sheep.
LOL, this one is 12 times more non-caucus!
How presumptuous of them.
I don't see how!
Just WHEN did the True Twelve EVER raise their hands in unison and swear, "We affirm that what Jesus says is TRUE!", like these lame 12 YESMEN of MORMONism do whenever their LIVING Prophet® ever DARES to open his mouth and say, "Thus saith the LORD."?
And because Mormonism denies the truth that it is God’s Integrity which guarantees the believer’s Salvation, Mormonism is blasphemous. Yet they continue to have their dupes posting their heresies at FR, trying to appear ‘christian’. Not only is Mormonism not Christianity, it is fundamentally designed as blasphemy toward the God of the Bible! ... And before this thread is closed, I will bet a Mormonism apologist will come on here to claim Mormons believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ... yet the god of mormonism was once a man and sits now enthroned in yonder Heavens, according to the founder of this blasphemous religion!
We had it first. I'd insert a smiley face here but it isn't really funny.
But, you have to give them “style points” for the hats.
That phrase 'believing Him' is a form of 'pisteuo' which is a verb well translated as 'faithing in Him'. That one can trust God's clear promise is fundamental to the Gospel of Grace in Christ Jesus. When Mormonism or any other form of religious message claims that it is not enough to do what Jesus says so clearly in John 5:24, that religious message is blaspheming, bringing 'another gospel' which is not from God.
Have You Been Saved? (Cultic Vanity)
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I am VERY grateful that Jim Robinson's Christianity is sound, informed, and reflective. Whatever happened to the "old" Religion Moderator, Jim Robinson is VERY able to render sound Christian judgement when it is called for.
Other than those two times, I've not needed saving.
Speaking of that, The Mormon Times, my favorite source, seems to have gone very lightweight in the last few months. It’s getting harder to find any meaty doctrine articles. Hmmm.....
Yes, it is presumptous and it goes back to their claim that only they have any real authority to act in God’s name.
Technically, all of their apostles since Smith are ‘apostles’ but there are only 12 at a time.
When one prophet dies, then the member of the ‘Twelve’ with most seniority ascends to the role of Prophet,(YEA CUZ THAT IS IN THE BIBLE /sarcasm) and there are actually 15 apostles, the 3 members of the ‘First Presidency’ and the “Quorum of the 12”.
And, you are correct, els, Jesus didn’t have 12 yesmen to vote on if what he said was true or not, and he didn’t have his followers raise their right hands to ‘sustain’ him prophet, seer and revelator like the LDS do WORLDWIDE during general conference.
LOL
Its getting harder to find any meaty doctrine articles.
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Sticking to the ‘milk’ ones, eh?
Truth in Labeling?
--MormonDude(Have I been saved?)
Best be tracing them lines out; for there's not much time left.
7 posted on Mon Jan 10 2011 09:10:42 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Paragon Defender
You know quite well that instead of having the caucus heading taken away from you (misusing the plural "us") that the punishment was threatened toward you (singular), and is multifaceted and fair.
Reminding you and others of what the proposed punishment was:
7 posted on Mon Jan 10 2011 09:10:42 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Paragon Defender
You know quite well that instead of having the caucus heading taken away from you (misusing the plural "us") that the punishment was threatened toward you (singular), and is multifaceted and fair.
Reminding you and others of what the proposed punishment was:
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