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Are You More Blessed Than the Virgin Mary?
Desiring God ^ | 12/15/2010 | Jonathan Parnell

Posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by RnMomof7

In the sermon descriptively entitled, “That Hearing and Keeping the Word of God Renders a Person More Blessed Than Any Other Privilege That Ever God Bestowed on Any of the Children of Men,” Jonathan Edwards writes: The hearing and keeping the word of God brings the happiness of a spiritual union and communion with God. ‘Tis a greater blessedness to have spiritual communion with God and to have a saving intercourse with him by the instances of his Spirit and by the exercise of true devotion than it is to converse with God externally, to see the visible representation and manifestations of his presence and glory, and to hear his voice with the bodily ears as Moses did. For in this spiritual intercourse the soul is nigh unto and hath more a particular portion than in any external intercourse. ‘Tis more blessed to be spiritually related to Jesus Christ—to be his disciples, his brethren and the members—than to stand in the nearest temporal relation, than to be his brother or his mother. Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus, ed. Nancy Guthrie, 57.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: blessed; catholicbashing; edwards; marianobsession; mary; scripture
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To: 1000 silverlings
Yes, but you said Christ's Presence on earth is manisfested in the Holy Spirit. We are tabernacles, and Mary was just another tabernacle.

The difference is as I said, while we may have the Holy Spirit (a spirit mind you), indwelling in us, Jesus Christ was not just a spirit — He was God AND Man — both wrapped up in one. That is quite a difference -- we do not have the physical and spiritual ONE inside us, we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within.
701 posted on 12/18/2010 1:33:17 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Cronos

I myself see it more as which ones He wants to be spiritual men ie Jacob, and which He doesn’t, ie, Esau. then in this sense, a man who will always be a natural man is pretty well limited to what he can do in life, like an animal.


702 posted on 12/18/2010 1:37:45 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7

well we are a new creation in Christ and we’ll be birthed into the world to come with that new body. At any rate, the whole argument is over whether Mary is the Ark of the Covenant, the whole idea of which is bizarre.


703 posted on 12/18/2010 1:46:07 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: maryz; Iscool
yes, Polish, Russian and other Slavic languages still use the locative.

In Polish in particular, it works like this forma używana do opisu miejsca akcji. W języku polskim samodzielny miejscownik nigdy nie występuje, do opisu miejsca zawsze używa się wyrażeń przyimkowych.

you generally use it after prepositions w,na, o, po, przy.

The declinations for this are crazy. If you have a noun that ends in a hard consonant (or in the case of feminine nouns that has a root that ends in a hard consonant) like p, b,m, etc. then you add in "e" while softening the stem

Na przykład, for example:
klub == w klubie
mama = o mamie
sklep = w sklepie
if you have a noun stem ending in "t", it becomes "cie" like
uniwersytet = na uniwersytecie,
kobieta = o kobiecie

if you have a noun stem "d" it softens to "dzie" (pronounced djeeAh" like obiad = na obiedzie

if you have a stem "zd" it becomes "żdzie" like gwiazd = o gwieżdzie.

oh and there is always the alternative between 'a' and 'e'.

Then for stół (table) it becomes na stoly, namely ó becomes o, ł becomes l

And, to makes things crazier, you need to look at stems "k","g", "ch" --> in Męski and nijaki (masculine and neuter) the declination is always "u" like przystanek = w przystanku (you have to drop the "e") while in Żenski (feminine) it's nuts --

for stems "K" it becomes "sce" like Polska = w Polsce! And for g it becomes dze, Praga = w Pradze, droga = w drodze

Then for "ch" it becomes "sz" so mucha = o musze!

For nouns ending in l, the declination is a simple e, like Kościół (Catholic Church) becomes Kościele (ok, that was from ł to l)
704 posted on 12/18/2010 1:47:04 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: maryz; Iscool
My favorite learner's ditty is
Dzik jest dziki;
Dzik jest zły;
Dzik ma bardzo ostre kły;
Kto spotyka w lesie dzika;
Ten na drzewo szybko zmyka!!!!
to pronounce: dzi = "J" in jeans,
i = "ee" like meet
ł = "w" as in wet
y = 'ih' like bit,br>j = "y" as in you
"dz" = dds like in odds
"si" = sh like sheep
"rz" = z like in azure
sz = sh as in shark
705 posted on 12/18/2010 1:56:21 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Cronos

You just have to internalize the sound patterns — after all, in English, you don’t have to stop and think that the “-s” of a plural is pronounced /s/ after a voiceless consonant and pronounced /z/ after a vowel or voiced consonant! :)


706 posted on 12/18/2010 2:01:08 AM PST by maryz
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To: maryz; Iscool
yes! I have great fun repeating to my Polish friends how Polish is actually simpler than English in pronounciation -- how it's spelt is ALWAYS how it is pronounced.

While in English you have
BOUGH

TOUGH

COUGH
All pronounced differently! And then why does mass have two 's" and Christmas only one? Ditto for full and joyful?

;-P

Oh and talking about plurals -- polish is insane in that respect (as in many!) -- in English, noun plurals are simple -- mostly "s". In Polish, not so simple.

For neuter, always "a" except for dziecko (child) = dzieci, ucho = uczy, oko = oczy (ear and eye resp.)

In Feminine and Masuline non-personal it is "e" for soft stems (hotel = hotele, ulica = ulice), y for hard consonants (dziewczieny,kobiety)

for Masculine personal, it goes crazy.

Polak = Polacy
Niemiec (German)=Niemcy
Pan = Panowie (Mr.)
Lekarz = Lekarze (doctor)
Okulist = okuliści
Student = studenci

it's crazy i tell you!
707 posted on 12/18/2010 2:10:11 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: maryz

And I know French, Spanish, Italian and some German and Farsi and a smattering of Arabic and Hindi— and while each has it’s craziness (the French with it’s pluperfect subjunctive used only in literature and the German with it’s changes depending on third person gender — ok, Spanish and Italian are easy) Polish is challenging — and I love it for being that one, one get’s a sense of accomplishment!


708 posted on 12/18/2010 2:12:51 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Cronos
With a Christ-centered Christianity, we rightly see that any typology, or symbolism used in the bible to compare the Ark of the Covenant with someone, that someone is Christ.

Catholics will say that David's words and dancing before the Ark, compares with Elizabeth's remarks and John leaping in the womb. That the Ark stayed 3 months with a priest is compared with Mary staying 3 months with Elizabeth.

With a Mary-centric religion, Mary is made the object of worship, when in reality the comparison is to the Christ child within her womb, not to her and her womb.

709 posted on 12/18/2010 2:28:10 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Cronos; Belteshazzar; RnMomof7; xone; Judith Anne

As to the title of this article: “Am I more blessed than the Virgin Mary?”

It’s a dumb question, really. Of course I’m not.


710 posted on 12/18/2010 4:45:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Blah, blah, blah, it's Scripture.....

Jesus said to do this (part of the Passover meal) in REMEMBRANCE of Him, not as a re-enactment of His death. Communion is no more an actual event of His death each time its partaken any more than the Passover meal was the actual event in Egypt each time the the Passover was celebrated.

Romans 6:9-10 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.

Catholicism has it all wrong anyway. Jesus isn't our our perpetual sacrifice. He was sacrificed once for all....

He is our great high priest so that we don't need earthly priests any more.

Hebrews 7 11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. 13For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

15This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is witnessed of him,

"You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek."

23The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

26For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. 28For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.

Hebrews 9 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10 8When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,"

17then he adds,

"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."

18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

If Catholics insist on keeping repeating the sacrifice of Jesus, they are clearly showing that they don't believe in the forgiveness that God offers through Jesus, that God hasn't forgiven them.

These are the kinds of sacrifices God is looking for......

Hebrews 13 15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

711 posted on 12/18/2010 5:39:52 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Too bad. Truth is truth.

God forbids the drinking of blood. It was reiterated in the NT, one of the very few OT regulations to be done so.


712 posted on 12/18/2010 5:42:44 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
if you accept both statements one and two together as correct then logically that means saying we are Christs

I think you misread my post..so lets do it again..If the ark is Christ than none of us can or will ever be the ark

If on the other hand the ark IS MARY containing Christ ..THEN every SAVED man or woman is like the ark..containing Christ..

The problem my friend is with the Catholic position

713 posted on 12/18/2010 7:17:19 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7

And yet to say that Jesus was a container for God is not Christian at all.


714 posted on 12/18/2010 7:23:48 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: All
Does anyone know any of these languages?

From the Semitic: Hebrew, Arabic, AramaicFrom the Aryan-Slavic: Russian, Bulgarian, Polish, etc

From the Germanic: German, Frisian, Danish,etc?

I know the Slavic languages have genitive, but how do other languages use the genitive?

Since they're probably called something else in each language -- in Polish it's dopełniacz, so here's the English description
Genitive

In grammar, genitive (abbreviated gen; also called the possessive case or second case) is the grammatical case that marks a noun as modifying another noun. It often marks a noun as being the possessor of another noun but it can also indicate various relationships other than possession; certain verbs may take arguments in the genitive case; and it may have adverbial uses (see Adverbial genitive). Modern English does not typically mark nouns for a genitive case morphologically – rather, it uses the 's clitic or a preposition (usually of) – but the personal pronouns do have distinct possessive forms. In many Afroasiatic languages the construct state is used to express similar relations between nouns.

Depending on the language, specific varieties of genitive-noun–main-noun relationships may include:

Depending on the language, specific varieties of genitive-noun–main-noun relationships may include:

Depending on the language, some of the relationships mentioned above have their own distinct cases different from the genitive.

Possessive pronouns are distinct pronouns, found in Indo-European languages such as English, that function like pronouns inflected in the genitive. They are considered separate pronouns if contrasting to languages where pronouns are regularly inflected in the genitive. For example, English my is either a separate possessive adjective or an irregular genitive of I, while in Finnish, for example, minun is regularly agglutinated from minu- "I" and -n (genitive).

In some languages, nouns in the genitive case also agree in case with the nouns they modify (that is, it is marked for two cases). This phenomenon is called suffixaufnahme.

In some languages, nouns in the genitive case may be found in inclusio – that is, between the main noun’s article and the noun itself.

Many languages have a genitive case, including Albanian, Arabic, Armenian, Basque, Czech, Slovak, Estonian, Finnish, Gaelic, Georgian, German, Greek, Icelandic, Irish, Latin, Latvian, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Sanskrit, Bosnian, Serbian, Croatian, Slovene, Turkish and Ukrainian. English does not have a proper genitive case, but a possessive ending, -’s (see below), although pronouns do have a genitive case.


715 posted on 12/18/2010 7:29:21 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: RnMomof7

so, are you going back on your statement that the Ark = type of Christ?


716 posted on 12/18/2010 7:30:45 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: RnMomof7; metmom
Statement 1: RnMom's post that Ark = Christ

Statement 2: MetMom's post say that we are all arks

if you accept both statements one and two together as correct then logically that means saying we are Christs

If you discard one of them then the corollary does not follow, but you cannot have both of those statements without arriving at the third, logical conclusion
717 posted on 12/18/2010 7:34:32 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: RnMomof7; metmom
that link you gave is nice. Thanks. It seems like a well-balanced, not spiteful area. Perhaps you should visit?

What is interesting is the point on CCC 1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:
On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.

When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.

Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves . . .and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.

When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.

Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren.

He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.

When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.'

When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.171
The liturgy of the Eucharist unfolds according to a fundamental structure which has been preserved throughout the centuries down to our own day. It displays two great parts that form a fundamental unity:
- the gathering, the liturgy of the Word, with readings, homily and general intercessions;
- the liturgy of the Eucharist, with the presentation of the bread and wine, the consecratory thanksgiving, and communion.


/thanks again for the nice link.
718 posted on 12/18/2010 7:35:16 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: caww; RnMomof7; metmom
Caww: Yes, I think so too as is evidenced in the posts. Interesting that during this time of year where we celebrate Christ's birth...the fact the discussions are NOT about Him, rather Mary ..was she or not a virgin...was she or not sinless, etc. etc. etc. It's all about her

Actually -- you should notice that this thread was posted by RnMo7 -- who left the Church and is pretty rabidly against it -- perhaps your groups should realise that during this time of year where we celebrate Christ's birth. Why do you guys instead seem to just talk about anything BUT Christ? Weird....
719 posted on 12/18/2010 7:36:22 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Quix

Poor Mary


720 posted on 12/18/2010 7:43:59 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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