[RnMomof7]

if you accept both statements one and two together as correct then logically that means saying we are Christs

I think you misread my post..so lets do it again..If the ark is Christ than none of us can or will ever be the ark

If on the other hand the ark IS MARY containing Christ ..THEN every SAVED man or woman is like the ark..containing Christ..

The problem my friend is with the Catholic position

[Cronos]

so, are you going back on your statement that the Ark = type of Christ?

[Cronos]

Statement 1: RnMom's post that Ark = Christ

Statement 2: MetMom's post say that we are all arks

if you accept both statements one and two together as correct then logically that means saying we are Christs

If you discard one of them then the corollary does not follow, but you cannot have both of those statements without arriving at the third, logical conclusion

[Cronos]

that link you gave is nice. Thanks. It seems like a well-balanced, not spiteful area. Perhaps you should visit?

What is interesting is the point on CCC 1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:

On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.

When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.

Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves . . .and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.

When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.

Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren.

He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.

When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.'

When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.171

The liturgy of the Eucharist unfolds according to a fundamental structure which has been preserved throughout the centuries down to our own day. It displays two great parts that form a fundamental unity:
- the gathering, the liturgy of the Word, with readings, homily and general intercessions;
- the liturgy of the Eucharist, with the presentation of the bread and wine, the consecratory thanksgiving, and communion.

/thanks again for the nice link.

[Cronos]

Caww: Yes, I think so too as is evidenced in the posts. Interesting that during this time of year where we celebrate Christ's birth...the fact the discussions are NOT about Him, rather Mary ..was she or not a virgin...was she or not sinless, etc. etc. etc. It's all about her

Actually -- you should notice that this thread was posted by RnMo7 -- who left the Church and is pretty rabidly against it -- perhaps your groups should realise that during this time of year where we celebrate Christ's birth. Why do you guys instead seem to just talk about anything BUT Christ? Weird....

[Dr. Eckleburg]

If the ark is Christ than none of us can or will ever be the ark

If on the other hand the ark IS MARY containing Christ ..THEN every SAVED man or woman is like the ark..containing Christ..

AMEN! Flawless logic and precise Scriptural understanding.

The problem my friend is with the Catholic position

As is so often the case.

[Cronos]

So, wait a minute don't you believe that the Holy Spirit can dwell within us?