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Creationism Par Excellence
chabad.org ^ | 1961 | Rabbi Menachem Schneerson

Posted on 12/12/2010 6:29:34 PM PST by jdlevy95

In 1961, the Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, of righteous memory, and Professor Cyril Domb exchanged correspondence on the subject of Torah and Science. Professor Domb was a professor of mathematics at Cambridge University from 1952 to 1954 and professor of theoretical physics at King's College, London, from 1954 to 1981. From 1981 to 1989, Domb was professor of physics at Bar-Ilan University, and remains professor emeritus there. He is also president of the Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists. He now lives in Israel.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; notasciencetopic; realscience; rebbe; science; truescience
This is a beautiful example of the Lubavitcher Rabbi (Of Blessed Memory)'s understanding of creation. Rabbi Schneerson parses the false use of "science" as objective fact and harmonizes Creation from its account in Torah with our observable universe. Feel free to ask me about any translations or Jewish source texts that he quotes.

An aside--this understanding should be absorbed by anyone who needs to defend scripture against scoffers and the not-yet-informed. However it's impossible to hold a darwinian's attention (particularly the youth) long enough to understand and debate.

Feedback welcome!

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/664329/jewish/On-Science-and-Its-Truths.htm

1 posted on 12/12/2010 6:29:38 PM PST by jdlevy95
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the false use of "science" as objective fact

He must use a different definition than the normal ones for "science" and "objective" then.

2 posted on 12/12/2010 7:08:35 PM PST by HospiceNurse (Draft O'Donnell 4 President)
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I think the most telling remark is the statement that the scientific assumption that light is limited to electromagnetic forces or waves, etc Is dubious. The question isn’t so much whether science can win when playing by it’s own rules, but rather whether the rules are justifiable.


3 posted on 12/12/2010 7:40:06 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: jdlevy95

From the Article:
“In other words, science cannot, a priori, challenge religion, especially our religion, for science can never speak in terms of absolute truth.”

This is incorrect. Science *CAN* speak in absolute terms, particularly mathematics.
For example I can say, with absolute confidence, that 2 is the ONLY even prime number.

To prove this, all that are needed are the definitions of ‘Prime’ and ‘Even’.

An even number is an integer which is evenly divisible (that is, leaving no remainder) by 2.
{x is even if 2k = x for some integer k}

A Prime number is an integer, excluding 1, which only evenly dividable by itself and one.

2 is the even number resultant from setting k to 1; that is, 2(1) = x.
This satisfies the definition for prime, further, any even number would have to have its k set to something other than 1 which means that it is evenly divisible by k. Therefore, the only even number satisfying the requirements for being prime is 2.


4 posted on 12/12/2010 7:56:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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The biggest group of people who refuse to buy into evoloserism is probably mathematicians, and not Christians or Jews. Evolution is not compatible with modern mathematics and probability theory.


5 posted on 12/12/2010 8:33:49 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: jdlevy95

The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Of Blessed Memory, was the closest thing to being a Moshiach that I have ever encountered. I attended every shabbos at a Chabad House. If not for the Rebbe there would only be a dead non-Torah-observant Reformed synagogue to attend in my town, which I would not.


6 posted on 12/12/2010 8:43:35 PM PST by papabrody (Proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy)
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To: jdlevy95

Thank you for posting this.


7 posted on 12/12/2010 9:03:39 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lishu`atekha qivviti, HaShem!)
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To: jdlevy95

Btw.......do we have a Levi in the House?


8 posted on 12/12/2010 9:36:09 PM PST by papabrody (Proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy)
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To: wendy1946
The biggest group of people who refuse to buy into evoloserism is probably mathematicians, and not Christians or Jews.
Is this just a feeling, or do you have any source for it? In my experience, mathematicians tend to accept Darwin's ideas - and are critical of the theories of their colleagues W. Dembski and R. Marks, while engineers prefer the idea of somewhat designed...
9 posted on 12/13/2010 2:24:48 AM PST by bezelbub
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To: OneWingedShark

And yet, science is not mathematics. Mathematics can be used to study science, they are not one and the same.


10 posted on 12/13/2010 6:34:44 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: RoadGumby

Exactly. Mathematics is not ‘observable’ but its laws can be used to posit theories in science and to predict the outcome. It’s (mathematics is) analogous to philosophy.

From lack of first-hand observation, it follows that all science of the age of the universe is in the realm of theory. (Note we can take great stock in some theories—like the Wright Bros. theories. There are applications to science that affect us in meaningful ways. But other settled matters, like Rabbi Schneerson said, have hence been disproved as ‘settled science.’)

From the purely religious perspective, G-d created the world 5771 years ago, and an unbroken chain of witnesses tells us so, reaffirmed at Mt. Sinai by 600,000 souls. One is a theory of what may have been, and one is a real first-hand account of what happened.


11 posted on 12/13/2010 8:37:55 AM PST by jdlevy95
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