so shall the Son of man be tree days AND three nights in the heart of the earth.
Wednesday: before 18:00 (pm): Christ is crucified on the cross Wednesday morning outside of Jerusalem and was buried before sundown Wednesday evening
Thursday: 18:00 (pm) evening through Thursday morning until 17:59 (pm): evening begins 1st day; morning completes 1st day.
Friday: 18:00 (pm) evening through Friday morning until 17:59 (pm): evening begins 2nd day; morning completes 2nd day.
Saturday: 18:00 (pm) evening through Saturday morning until 17:59 (pm): evening begins 3rd day; morning completes 3rd day.
Sunday: morning: Christ rose from the dead very early in the morning hours, well before 6am, probably between 1am and 4am. So Sunday cannot count as a full "day".
This fully accounts for 3 full 24 hour days/nights. Friday to Sunday only accounts for 1.33 (34 hours) days. It is impossible to get 3 full 24 hour days/nights with the Friday to Sunday tradition. Friday - Sunday makes Jesus out to be a liar! Christ Jesus said - tree days AND three nights in the heart of the earth. Christ is always right ......yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written .....Romans 3:4
Its refreshing and great to see that some saints / believers on FR actually DO carefully read the Scriptures when Jesus Christ our LORD inerrently wrote in Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days AND tree nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be tree days AND three nights in the heart of the earth.
It's always a blessing from God above to see when Scripture is correctly read and understood. If all would so carefully and prayfully read the Scripture first, before men's traditions, and to not trust our fallible presuppositions that "Sabbath" always means "Saturday"; then a blessing from the LORD will be realized as we see truth revealed by the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
“Watch out for that tree !!!!!”
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Leni
With God all things are possible. You might even (if you pray for it) get a correct interpretation of Jewish reckoning of days.
To the Jewish reckoning "a day and a night" is any part of a single 24 hour period. it is an idiom to describe one day. If you reckon correctly Jesus could have died at 11:59:59 on Friday and arose again at 00:00:01 on Sunday and it would still be reckoned as "3 days and 3 nights"
http://www.scripturessay.com/article.php?cat=&id=679
Was Jesus in the grave 3 days? What day was he crucified? What day was he raised? There is one thing we can be sure of and that is Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. We may not understand the full extent of what Jesus meant and how it would be interpreted under Jewish reckoning. Some trying to explain the three nights suggest that Jesus was actually crucified on Thursday, but that would mean that he was in the grave four days and three nights.
“Evening and morning, or night and day, is the Hebrew phrase for a natural day, which the Greeks termed nuchthemeron (Greek for a night and day). According to Jewish reckoning three days and three nights included any part of the first day; the whole of the following night; the next day and its night; and any part of the succeeding or third day.” (Adam Clark)
“The period during which He was to lie in the grave is here expressed in round numbers, according to Jewish way of speaking, which was to regard any part of a day, however small, included within a period of days as a full day.” (Jamieson et al)
http://www.letusreason.org/doct10.htm
Jesus referred to the prophet Jonah, just as he was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so would He be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt. 12:39-40; Luke 11:30. On another occasion, Jesus stated that He would destroy the temple, and He would raise it again in three days - John 2:19. (This is referring to His body, as his body became the living temple/tabernacle on earth).
Matt 27:62-64: “Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead.' So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
Mark 15:42-44: “Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time.” This means it was Friday afternoon since the Sabbath day begins at sundown.
Luke 23:54-56: “That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.”
Talmud states he died on the eve of the Sabbath, because he practiced sorcery and took them from their God. Mk.14:12 says on the first day of the Unleaven Bread when they sacrificed the Passover.
John 19:31-33: “Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.”
A high Sabbath was one that landed on a feast day.
The Gospels of Mark, Luke and John all make it clear that Jesus' burial occurred shortly after His death on the day of “preparation” (Friday) before the Sabbath (Saturday), and ends at the sunset of each day. Mark 15:37-47; Luke 23:53-56; John 19:31. In order for Jesus to have been buried just before the Sabbath (Saturday), Jesus' crucifixion could only have occurred on Friday.
The Bible is clear that Jesus was crucified on the Passover, Friday, then buried later that (Friday) afternoon or evening before the Sabbath (Saturday) began, and then rose from the dead the first day of the week (Sunday). How could there be a fulfillment of Jesus' prediction that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth? What exactly does this mean? 3- literal 24- hour days or a statement related to a certain time period.
In Old Testament the expression “one day and one night” was an idiom used often by the Jews for a day, even when it was applied to only a part of a day. The Jewish reference to this period as three days and three nights is strictly in accordance with the Jewish mode of reckoning. Evening and morning, or night and day, is the Hebrew phrase for a natural day. It was a maxim among the Jews in computing time, that a part of a day was to be received or computed as the whole.
Please note that I have provided expert testimonies from several professionals. I didn't use all caps and italics.
Clear evidence refuting your claim from real scholars.
Are your Irish?
It is imperative for you to remember that, before the Holy Spirit released the canon of Holy Scripture to the world, through the Catholic Church, that Holy Spirit guided men in Tradition for several centuries with teachings first given to the Apostles. I do truly respect you FRiend, but whole-heartedly disagree with your personal, and fallible interpretation of Scripture. However, I also wish you a Blessed Sunday. And I give you credit for sticking your neck out like that.
Matthew 13:15-16 - “For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them. But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.”
For the BEST telling of the story of Jonah and the whale, you’ve got to see this 7 minute video (through the eyes of a little girl). OUTSTANDING!
http://vimeo.com/16404771
Amen to that. You are probably a honest and sincere person. I respect that. You post on here something which you strongly believe and wish to share with others (spreading the gospel). That is commendable. However your post is riddled with misspellings and Biblical errors. I say this as a friend, please study some more. If someone told you this or you heard this at a church, please consider other sources. There are a lot of misconceptions out there. Remember that Jesus and the disciples were Jews. Find a Christian faith that is like what they believed and taught. A remnant if you will. God bless.
Aye laddy, at least you’re not a Quartodecimanian!
For over 1700 years now, since confusion in theology was introduced on a wide scale by the main stream churches.... this verse has caused much error. If you notice....no where is the word "Tomb" used. People have just assumed that Matthew was referring to that when he said, "Heart of the Earth".
Many folks do get the chronology correct when it comes to the supper, the arrest and mock trial (early A.M.), the appearance before Caesar the next morning and the crucifixion, death and burial before sunset. All these events took place on the 14th [Leviticus 23:5] which was the preparation for the Passover. I noticed that you correctly named Wednesday, Nisan 14 as well.
Let's review somethings that The Lord said must happen before He could resurrect himself from the Tomb:
[Matthew 16:21] From that time began Jesus to shew to his disciples that it is necessary for him to go away to Jerusalem, and to suffer many things from the elders, and chief priests, and scribes, and to be put to death, and the third day to rise.
The reason I highlighted was to emphasize that there was more to this "Heart of the Earth" thing than just laying in the tomb.
Here are some more: [Matthew 17:22-23] 22 And while they are living in Galilee, Jesus said to them, 'The Son of Man is about to be delivered up to the hands of men, 23 and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall rise,' and they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:18-19]18 'Lo, we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man shall be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, 19 and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the nations to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify, and the third day he will rise again.'
There was quite a bit that was going to happen to Him during this period other than his death....and reposing in the tomb. All these things.....were part and parcel of the Metaphor,"Heart of the Earth".
I'll list the rest so you can see them yourself and realize that much was going to happen to Our Lord during these "Three Days and Three Nights".
[Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:33-34][Luke 9:22; 18:31-33; 24:7;]
This one in particular kind of narrows in on just what I'm saying: [Luke 24:20-21] 20 how also the chief priests and our rulers did deliver him up to a judgment of death, and crucified him; 21 and we were hoping that he it is who is about to redeem Israel, and also with "all" these things, this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.
These scriptures all list that which would happen and they all conclude by saying He would rise the third day. It doesn't take too much understanding to realize that He was speaking of the other "Things" as part of His total ordeal which would conclude with the resurrection on the third day.
Now....stop and think about the prophecy in Isaiah [53:5] And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us.
The KJV says: "By His stripes we are healed". If His sign to His disciples [Matthew 12:40] only included the death, the time He spent in the tomb and the resurrection how was the blood he spilled earlier accounted for? He began to bleed innocent blood almost immediately upon his arrest and mock trial. He had no blemish on Him prior to his arrest [I Peter 1:19] and His blood was what redeemed us.
No where in the scriptures I provided does it say simply, "He must die and be raised the third day. They all say.... He must suffer other "Things" as well. This is the "Heart of the Earth"....under the control and command of mortal mankind which He purposely entered into. He knew He would be the Passover.....and He knew what he must endure.
Well.....where does this place the chronology? He would have entered the "Heart of the Earth" probably very early (our time) in the morning of the 14th (3:00/4:00 A.M.). They had eaten the last supper (Tuesday evening, the 14th) and had gone to the garden. The arrest would have occurred when Judas showed up with the troops and this would have been the beginning of His Three Days and Three nights under the control of mankind. It would have been early Wednesday morning (Our Time) but still the darkness of the 14th)(Hebrew Time).
Three days and three nights later.. places Him resurrecting from the tomb early Sabbath morning, the 17th of Nisan. All four gospels show (In the Greek) that the women all appear early at the tomb on the Sabbath.....and HE is already..........risen!
Well....for one, I would like to see your proof (in the Greek) that the word SABBATWN [Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][Luke 24:1][John 20:1] means anything other than a "Special Sabbath" ordained of God. I believe you may be confusing this word with SABBATON which indeed does mean a Saturday Sabbath. And.....by the way....if the Greek would have been trying to say, "First day of the week".....it would have been rendered thus: PROTO HEMERA TE EBDOMA.
Out of four different gospel writers (all familiar with the Greek language).....why do you suppose not one of them got it right? Maybe.....because it doesn't mean what the Main Stream Churches have been attempting to sell/tell us for 1700 years? Possible!
As you can see....there are a few different forms of the word Sabbath in the Greek. All of the resurrection passages use the word SABBATWN when describing the day of resurrection. When ever the word SABBATON is used in scripture it just describes a normal weekly Sabbath. It also gives the plural form of both words (SABBATA for SABBATON) and (SABBATW for SABBATWN). SABBATOU and SABBASIN are descriptive adjectives for both as well.
The reason you see this Greek word, SABBATWN in all the resurrection verses is because it was indeed a "Special Sabbath" to the Hebrew people. We are told in [Leviticus 23:15-16] to count off the fifty days to Pentecost from Passover and number these weekly Sabbaths during the count.
They were considered ordained Sabbaths so that's why they are spelled differently. They do not.....and never have.....meant "The first day of the week".
Here are the pertinent verses translated literally by Young's:
[Matthew 28:1] 1 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
[Mark 16:2] 2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
[Luke 24:1] 1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them,
[John 20:1]1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
Mr. Young translates everyone of these resurrection passages literally and he does not mention a first day of anything. The resurrection occured early on a Saturday morning before sunrise!
Outside of eight texts in the New Testament [Matthew 28:1]; [Mark 16:2,9]; [Luke 24:1]; [John 20:1, 19]; [Acts 20:7], and [1Cor. 16:2]1, where we find μια των σαββατων translated as "first day of the week", there is no example of σαββατων having the meaning of "week" in any Greek literature before AD 100, and then only in "Church" Greek after that. The first attested use in this sense is Didache 8.1. This sense is entirely wanting in Secular Greek, the LXX, Josephus, Philo, or any other Greek literature of Jewish provenance before the destruction of the Second Temple except for these eight texts. That sense is also entirely lacking in classical and Koine Greek except for its alleged use in these eight texts. Furthermore, these eight texts are not just ordinary examples where nothing is at stake. What is at stake here is the original separation of Christianity from its Hebrew roots, and the justifications supplied for this schism. Therefore, we may rightly suspect that the alleged sense of "first day of the week" is due to opportunistic revisionism based on sectarian religious and political motivations.
I responded to your thread....twice as a matter of fact and have not yet received a reply from you in defense.
I thought you may have been away for the holidays so I never pressed the issue......but now I’m curious.
Did I convince you that quickly of your error....and you now see the correct interpretation.....as mine?
If that’s the case I would really like to know. Usually I get some argument....but in your case it’s been just silence.