Posted on 12/03/2010 4:14:50 PM PST by bibletruth
1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
There is NO debate here: God's Word clearly points out who the mediator is between God and men: i.e., Christ Jesus
If you believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: The Word of God, then 1 Timothy 2:5 will be easily be understood as Christ the mediator.
One can hope. That you spend your time attacking His Church and His Truth makes it seem unlikely...but hope springs eternal!
Thanks
I actually KNOW what it is ... So I am guessing that you do not???
“I actually KNOW what it is ... “
Well, maybe you do. Your track record here is not so good. Vicar, indeed!
God did not give us the church He gave us Christ of which He is the head of the body of believers who are the church. You can hold to the catholic church as your means of salvation and truth..surely a decision made by each...or one can can trust in Christ and His great promises, and His word to light our way.
Traditions have no place in the life of a believer when it comes to dictating that which opposes God and His reveled word....asking any other than Christ to interceed for us steps out of what He taught us in who to and how to pray. Therfore you enter into another world He never intended we go and warned us not to go there...and this at your own risk. When one takes themsleves outside the boundaries God has established for men they’re removing themsleves from His protection.
MHGinTN wrote:
“Our current understanding of Time as a dimension could be the problem. We consider time as a linear phenomenon, a linear flow. In reality, dimension Time may be a volume, with an infinite number of planar expressions.”
Interesting. Our current understanding of Time as a dimension is almost certainly part of the problem. So, I will join you in this, I doubt that time is a linear phenomenon, even though it would appear that we humans are limited to this way of experiencing it. Whether time be a volume, as you say, or not, is finally a matter of speculation. It may be well thought through speculation, and it may even turn out to be true.
That said, the truth that sets us free is bound up entirely in Christ, in His person and work, in His word, for He is, per John 1:18; 3:31ff; 5:19ff; etc. (and there is a lot more etc.) the sole revealer of the mind and will of God toward us, the sole provider of the truth of all that lies outside of our ability to grasp and know (and pretty much everything within it as well).
Speculation is stimulating, interesting, and PERHAPS, even useful sometimes. Speculation is something as old as man, and it has been engaged in by nearly everyone who has stood outside gazing up at the night sky on a clear, moonless night or who has peered at the tiniest of creation’s entities and wondered “how” and “why.” To speculate is to be human, to be one who is, yes, fallen and corrupt, but still made in the image of God, and thus capable of thinking outside of himself. But Christianity is not built on speculation nor will it be improved upon by speculation. It is built on the Rock that is Christ, who alone is the way, the truth, and the life.
I enjoy your speculations. But I can take them only as that.
caww twaddles with this:
God did not give us the church
God did not give us the church
God did not give us the church
God did not give us the church
God did not give us the church
Sorry caww, you deny the Word and the Truth. That is sad.
Here, for your edification, is the Truth:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and Earth
And in Jesus Christ
His only Son, Our Lord
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit
Born of the Virgin Mary
Suffered under Pontius Pilate
Was crucified, died and was buried.
On the third day, he rose again
He ascended into Heaven
and is seated at the right hand
of God, the Father Almighty.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the Communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Get real. Not content to distort Scripture and the Catechism of the Catholicv Church you now distort the English Language to make your false points. A vicar is a representative, one acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior. The title is comparable to lieutenant, literally the "place-holder".
Horrific.
Your response echoes mans writings....how be it edifying...the Holy Catholic Church it references is not the church as you see it... but ‘the Universal body of believers with Christ as the Head’. You need to re-read my post. I am exactly right that the Church is the body of believers wherever they worship...and does not require a membership in the catholic church...or allegiance to a pope...thank God! Additionally that is the Vaticans position as well....you might check that out on the Vatican website yourself.
“Not content to distort Scripture and the Catechism of the Catholicv Church you now distort the English Language to make your false points.”
RnMomof7 did exactly that. A total, outright change of meaning. If done deliberately it is called a lie. The Father of Lies does seem to be at work here. Very, very sad.
Apparently to some, that is only for wine drinkers.
Did that same "indwelling" voice that fed you so much wrong info on Scripture and the Catechism tell you that? You obviously didn't rely on any secular authority (magisterium) for that definition.
The pope is the.... “literally the “place-holder” .....of Christ???? As you clearly state...no not so as Christ is very much alive and active in our life and in the world...He needs no “placeholder”...He is God.
“I actually KNOW what it is ... “ ....Well, maybe you do. Your track record here is not so good. Vicar, indeed!
Is this your way of avoiding telling us what the gospel is??
If one can not articulate the Gospel how does one know that a street preacher is just doing an "ignorant spew"
Seems to me the definition of "spiritual ignorance" is not knowing what the gospel we are commanded to spread is
Nares do you KNOW what the church is?
Amen — yes He is! To many who name the “name of Christ” are negligent in seeking Him.
“Is this your way of avoiding telling us what the gospel is??
No - it is yours. You redefine words as you see fit. What is it YOU claim as the Gospel - the Book of Mormon?
Dr. Brian Kopp wrote:
“... there is simply no reason God cannot share these requests with the living saints in Heaven.”
This is certainly true. Whether He does or not is the question at hand. Here Scripture is pretty silent.
He also wrote:
“This concept is neither difficult nor in any way in violation of scripture.”
Again, agreed that is not difficult to grasp how it could be so ... could. And one might be able to say that it is not in direct violation of scripture. However, that it is not “in any way in violation” is a much broader and more tenuous statement.
It seems to me it is also always in the nature of man to venture into the unknown if for no other reason than native curiosity. When it comes to science and discovery, this usually has a beneficial result (even if not immediately for the first explorers and discovers, who often pay a rather steep price for their curiosity). However, when man ventures into the unknown that lies beyond the powers of our senses and the deductions we have built on them, i.e., the empirical world, one enters the realm of the truly unknown in which God alone knows. Some of this unknown realm He has revealed to us and some of it He hasn’t. Here shipwreck can have a rather more lasting effect on the explorer than in the realm of the empirical.
Exactly...and in fact dethrones Christ's rightful position in the eyes of the unsaved, who for the most part want nothing to do with praying to departed people...they have more Godly sense then those who claim to be His. His sheep will hear His voice just the same.
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