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To: MHGinTN

MHGinTN wrote:
“Our current understanding of Time as a dimension could be the problem. We consider time as a linear phenomenon, a linear flow. In reality, dimension Time may be a volume, with an infinite number of planar expressions.”

Interesting. Our current understanding of Time as a dimension is almost certainly part of the problem. So, I will join you in this, I doubt that time is a linear phenomenon, even though it would appear that we humans are limited to this way of experiencing it. Whether time be a volume, as you say, or not, is finally a matter of speculation. It may be well thought through speculation, and it may even turn out to be true.

That said, the truth that sets us free is bound up entirely in Christ, in His person and work, in His word, for He is, per John 1:18; 3:31ff; 5:19ff; etc. (and there is a lot more etc.) the sole revealer of the mind and will of God toward us, the sole provider of the truth of all that lies outside of our ability to grasp and know (and pretty much everything within it as well).

Speculation is stimulating, interesting, and PERHAPS, even useful sometimes. Speculation is something as old as man, and it has been engaged in by nearly everyone who has stood outside gazing up at the night sky on a clear, moonless night or who has peered at the tiniest of creation’s entities and wondered “how” and “why.” To speculate is to be human, to be one who is, yes, fallen and corrupt, but still made in the image of God, and thus capable of thinking outside of himself. But Christianity is not built on speculation nor will it be improved upon by speculation. It is built on the Rock that is Christ, who alone is the way, the truth, and the life.

I enjoy your speculations. But I can take them only as that.


125 posted on 12/04/2010 12:27:09 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: Belteshazzar
I offer them only as speculation. In my opinion, My Lord is soon returning to gather up His Church. If i even thought that my speculating was an offense to Him I would not offer it for consideration. There are many many clues in the Bible, which, if God did not want us to ponder the possibilities He would have delivered to us a different Bible. For instance: consider that when Saul hired the witch of Endor to contact Samuel, the witch was astonished that the actual Samuel showed up! And when Samuel showed up, he delivered a prophecy of condemnation to Saul. Now, in what where/when did Samuel reside to come forward from to deliver God's verdict on Saul? It was some sort of where/when, and when Jesus returns, according to IThess4 him also will Jesus bring with Him, to united Samuel with a new body. Surely, our God is doing an astonishing work.

On that note, I like to offer the following regarding the Trintarian nature of God:

The One God evidences Himself in the work He is doing

The following will be 'a way' to understand the notion of the trinitarian nature of the Deity, not a strictly Biblical or Catholic explanation, but one which is applicable to the teaching from the Bible. Here goes:

God The Father Almighty is greater than His creation, thus greater than dimension time and dimension space, thus we may think of The Father Almighty as beyond time and space but not prevented from touching and indeed penetrating His creation.

The universe of space and time is likened to a bubble: what is inside the bubble is in time and space. But the nature of what is inside the bubble is only partially understood in modern Physics.

The Bible relates scenes which defy the simplistic notions we use for assumptive science. We'll get to that 'assumptive' notion shortly, but let us make the statement that God The Father Almighty is as comfortable outside the bubble as He is inside the bubble.

Modern Physics has discovered that the balance of forces and tensions sustaining the universe necessary for human life to arise within the universe is extremely delicate, on the order of a mathematical improbability, represented as a 'one in less than' fraction so tiny that a one over a one followed by more than one-hundred zeros defines the probability that the whole thing remains in balance! Such a delicate balancing act is but one of the continuing 'works' of the Holy Spirit of God. It is by the Spirit of God, The Word, that the universe came into existence and it is said in the Bible that by His Spirit the whole is maintained [see 2Peter3].

But the Bible also states that The Word was with God in the beginning and was God. In the beginning of John's gospel we find that Jesus is The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us. So, inside the bubble Created by The Father Almighty, sustained by God The Holy Spirit, is the Word, God made flesh Who dwelt among us. The Creator does not stop being greater than His creation bubble, nor does His Spirit cease to sustain it all in balance, when Jesus comes in the flesh to dwell among us.

Here's an address to 'assumptive science limitations': Now, when one reads the Tanakh/Old Testament, one finds scenes like the fifth chapter of Daniel where a being is in one spacetime 'where/when' reaching into another 'where/when' to write on the palace party central wall of king Belshazzar. Just the forearm/hand is seen in the where/when of Belshazzar and the party folks, the rest of the being remains in 'another' where/when.

God The Father Almighty created this 'other' where/when, His Holy Spirit maintains its balance and separateness from our where/when, and Jesus has moved in and out of this other where/when: as shown when He resurrected from the tomb without rolling away the stone, just passing out of the tomb where/when, into 'another' where/when; then back into our where/when as He spoke to the women come to the sepulchre; and when He appeared in a locked and shuttered room with the disciples present; or appeared suddenly with the disciples walking on a road and broke bread with them then left our where/when to go to the 'other' where/when.

The trinitarian nature of God is shown in the Bible, even in the Tanakh. Trinity IS the nature of God as we have been given to know. Even in the Old Testament/Tanakh, we do have instruction on the Three nature of God as Creator, Sustainer, and Deliverer. God Is manifested as three yet one, seen identified by 'the work He is doing'.

With each manifestation, we are given to realize His presence simultaneously as Creator--because we exist in the realm He created, as Sustainer--because the balance is too delicate to stand alone without His sustaining the separation and interdependence, and as God with us in the person of Jesus our Lord and Savior.

245 posted on 12/04/2010 4:08:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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