Posted on 11/30/2010 5:36:59 AM PST by kindred
LOL!
Good onoe.
Thanks
We must read the Pauline epistles through the prism of the Gospels, NOT the other way around.
Your statement was untrue.
In many instances their interpretations are humorous like the infamous poster who sees space cadet aliens and of course the rapture which needs to be incorporated in song by a Rap artist to be presented on MTV where such filth belongs.
The YOPIOs B team.
Some studies show that non-mainline Protestants outnumber mainline in the States. Whatever way you look at it your "vastly outnumber" statement is incorrect.
1 Corinthians 2:
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
And then there is this, where Paul very carefully says where he is giving his own opinion, and not God's commands. My thought is that, as an apostle, if Paul were speaking about God, and did not say it was just an opinion, then it is from God. Otherwise, he would be leading us astray, which isn't what you expect of an apostle.
He wasn't about developing his own philosophy of life, after all, but revealing God's plan. 1 Corinthians 7 1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
No, the letters of Paul are, IMO, just as much God's word as the Gospels.
Abraham also knew he was saved prior to Christ's salvation being offered to the rest of mankind, God declared him "righteous". The entire OT points directly to salvation through a Savior and Jewish followers who had faith in this promise were also "full of grace". Mary knew she needed a savior and she knew Jesus was her savior. Had she been "sinless", where was a savior needed?
Overall, I think one can say that those who use personal interpretation may not actually be doing it with the aid of the Holy Spirit.
How do you tell. Well, if you are doing it with the aid of the Spirit it’s sorta easy to tell. For instance, I can find no evidence in the Scripture for “the Prosperity Gospel”, or for “the Social Gospel”
Just a thought
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, Pope’s are men with all that entails.
I wasn’t talking about the pope. I am talking about the doctrines and creeds and Christian faith described by the Church that Christ established and that the gates of hell will not prevail against.
The fact that there have been good and bad popes and bishops yet the Church and the Faith continues is testament to the wisdom of Jesus in its establishment with Christ as its head, the apostles and their successors with authority, and the guidance - of the Church - by the Holy Spirit.
The Church is not the pope or any man.
Further, your alternative is the authority of yourself or perhaps Calvin or Luther or someone else - all of whom we can assume have the same limitations you note for the pope preventing you from accepting the authority of the Church.
So, you haven’t decreased your problem of accepting the authority of man, you’ve increased it.
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks, Matt Slick is a wonderful teacher and advocate for Christ
Could you show us the lie /lies in the article?
We part ways entirely here. Matt Slick believes in a God who declares sinners righteous without actually making them anything of the sort.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
No Catholic has ever asserted himself to be in a state of justification by appealing to any "work" that he has performed. To make such an appeal or such an assertion is completely alien to a normal Catholic's ethos and would actually fall quite squarely under the sin of presumption. If someone in my parish said: "Hey guys, I am justified before God because I volunteered at the soup kitchen last week!" he would be considered unbalanced.
But at least I am responsible for my own mistakes.
Few there be that find it.
Neither your bunch, or the proddies, obey Acts 2:38. You therefore do greatly err.
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