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The Gospel for Roman Catholics
Carm.org ^ | unknown | Matt Slick

Posted on 11/30/2010 5:36:59 AM PST by kindred

This paper is written in two parts. The first explains and documents the Roman Catholic Church's position on justification. The second part presents the true gospel in contrast to the Catholic Church's position. If you want to go straight to the gospel presentation for Catholics, simply scroll down the page.

Because of the great emphasis on Sacred Tradition within the Catholic Church and because so many Roman Catholics appeal to the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, the Word of God is often placed after the Catholic Church itself in relation to authority. Because of this, many Catholics appeal to their works, in combination with the sacrifice of Christ as a means of being justified before God. The Council of Trent expresses this plainly:

"If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema." (Canon 14). Justification is the legal declaration by God upon the sinner where God declares the sinner righteous in His sight. This justification is based completely and solely on the work of Christ on the cross. We cannot earn justification or merit justification in any way. If we could, then Christ died needlessly. "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly," (Gal. 2:21). Because righteousness cannot come through the Law (through our efforts of merit), the Bible declares that we are justified before God by faith:

•"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law," (Rom. 3:28). •"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness," (Rom. 4:3). •"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," (Rom. 4:5). •"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1). •"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God," (Eph. 2:8). However, in Roman Catholicism, justification by faith is denied.

"If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed," (Canon 12, Council of Trent). Which are we to believe? The Roman Catholic Church or God's word? Furthermore, the RCC states that justification is received not by faith, but by baptism. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph, 1992, that "...justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith." This means that faith is not the instrument of obtaining justification; instead, it is an ordinance performed by a priest in the Roman Catholic Church.

Furthermore, baptism is only the initial grace along the road of justification. The Roman Catholic is to then maintain his position before God by his efforts.

"No one can MERIT the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods," (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027). The problem here is that the RCC is teaching us to "merit for ourselves and for others all the graces need to attain eternal life." You cannot merit grace. Grace is unmerited favor. Merit is, according to the CCC, par. 2006, "...the recompense owed by a community or a society for the action of one of its members, experienced either as beneficial or harmful, deserving reward or punishment..." CCC 2006. This means that merit is something owed. By contrast, grace is something not owed. Therefore, the RCC is teaching contrary to God's word regarding grace and justification.

The sad result is that in Roman Catholicism, justification before God is a process that is maintained by the effort and works of the Roman Catholic. This is a very unfortunate teaching since it puts the unbearable burden of works righteousness upon the shoulders of the sinner. By contrast, the Bible teaches that justification/salvation is by faith.

•"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," (Rom. 4:5). •"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1). •"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God," (Eph. 2:8). The Gospel for Roman Catholics The Gospel for Roman Catholics is the same as for anyone else and it is obtained by grace through faith in believing and trusting in Jesus alone, who is God in flesh, for the forgiveness of sins. Salvation is not found in a true church. Salvation is not found in being good. Salvation is not found in good works. Salvation is not found in a sincere heart. Salvation is not found in making up for past sins by efforts of restoration, or penance, or indulgences. You can never do enough to please God.

Because God is so infinitely holy and righteous, and because we are sinners, we are incapable of pleasing God by anything that we do. In fact, our righteous deeds are considered filthy rags before God (Isa. 64:6). You can do nothing to earn forgiveness or keep forgiveness. Salvation before God is not administered to us through an earthly priest in the Catholic church by the sprinkling of water, or giving of penance, or recitation of formula prayers. Salvation for the Christian is not kept through the effort of the person who hopes and tries and worries about being good enough to stay saved.

Such error can only lead to despair and hopelessness and a desperate and unwarranted dependence on the Roman Catholic Church as the only means by which salvation can be distributed and maintained. In this error, people far too often seek to work their way to heaven by being good, by doing what the Catholic church teaches them to do, by prayers to Mary, by indulgences, by the Rosary, and by a host of other man-made works. Remember, in the RCC, salvation is through the Church and its sacraments, not through Jesus alone, by faith alone. This is exactly how the cults of Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses work who both teach that true salvation is found only in their church membership and in following the revelation and authority of their church teachers and traditions.

Are you tired of the works requirement? In great contrast to the position of the Roman Catholic Church, if you want to be forgiven of your sins, once and for all, then you need to come to Christ (Matt. 11:28). You need to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior (John 1:12; Rom. 10:13). You need to ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins (John 14:14), and trust in Him alone and in nothing that you can do. Remember, your good deeds have no merit before God (Isa. 64:6). Furthermore, if you have faith, it is because that faith is the work of God (John 6:28-29). If you believe, it is because God has granted that you believe (Phil. 1:29). It is not because you were baptized, or have been good, or have been sincere. It is all of God. The Lord must receive all the glory for salvation because it completely and totally rests in Him. Salvation rests in Christ alone and it is received by faith apart from works.

Please read the following scriptures carefully.

1."for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom. 3:23). 2."For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord," (Rom. 6:23). 3."and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed," (1 Pet. 2:24). 4."He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him," (2 Cor. 5:21). 5."If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it," (John 14:14). 6."Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls," (Matt. 11:28-29). 7."But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name," (John 1:12). 8."I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly," (Gal. 2:21). 9."Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law," (Rom. 3:28). 10."For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness," (Rom. 4:3). 11."But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," (Rom. 4:5). 12."These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life," (1 John 5:13). A suggested prayer This suggested prayer is not a formula, but a representation of biblical principles by which you might better understand the true gospel and receive Christ as your Lord and Savior. It is not a formula derived from Sacred Tradition or Stamped with the seal of the Roman Catholic Church's approval. Its principles are derived from scripture: we are sinners; God is Holy; we cannot earn salvation; salvation is a free gift; prayer to Christ; Jesus is the only way; receiving Christ; faith; etc.

"Lord Jesus, I admit that I am a sinner and that I have offended you by breaking your Holy Law. I confess my sins to you Lord and ask forgiveness from you and do not ask anyone else to be forgiven of my sins against you. I acknowledge who you are, God in flesh, creator, humble Lord, who bore my sins in Your body on the cross and I come to you alone and trust you alone, by faith, that you will forgive me completely of my sins so that I will have eternal life. I ask you Lord to come into my heart, to be my Lord, to forgive me of my sins. Lord I trust in you alone, in the work of the cross alone and not in any church, not in any saint, not in Mary, not in any priest, but in you alone. Lord, Jesus, I receive you, and come to you, and ask you to forgive me and justify me by faith as I trust in you alone. Thank you. If you are a Roman Catholic and have trusted in Christ alone for the forgiveness of your sins, then welcome to the body of Christ. Welcome to salvation and the free gift of forgiveness in Jesus.

Next, I strongly recommend that you read the Bible regularly, talk to Jesus daily in prayer, and seek to find a church that teaches and focuses on Jesus as Lord, Jesus as Savior, and sticks to the Bible alone.


TOPICS: Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; belongsinreligion; yopios
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To: marshmallow
You define it so well. What sealed it for me was a miracle. After english word devotions I was praying in the spirit about this subject. Well out of nowhere without touching the computer a website came on my screen explaining the Immaculate Conception. That did it for me. I believe it 1000% percent now. I am not kidding!

God is good!

"Seek and you will find" = He will answer with faith!

We have a supernatural God!

Praise Jesus and as the angel and the Holy Spirit said in scripture Hail Mary! That is it for real! Period!

Amen! Amen! Amen!

101 posted on 11/30/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Siena Dreaming; D-fendr
Who said they read from them "each week"? I said they don't neglect them. The Gospels are four out of 66 books. There's no requirement a church MUST read or expound upon a Gospel each week.

It just seems odd to ignore the Word of God for the opinion of Paul.

The Gospels are referred to often, read from, studied and considered inspired as God's Word and loved as much as any other book of the Bible in the vast majority of Protestant churchs.

That's because the vast majority are mainline Protestants.

102 posted on 11/30/2010 1:27:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chesley
We have our own "Church Fathers", so to speak.

But you asked: "Wouldn’t you rather trust your own reasoned interpretation of Scripture rather than that of any other man?" I think we assign authority differently. I would posit that the authority of Christ's Church has His authority, whereas you and Calvin do not.

Salvation, though is a much simpler matter. Accept Christ and get it; reject Him and be damned. It requires no more to be saved.

According to your interpretation, or yours and those whose you accept. So, my question still applies, you are choosing to accept on your own authority within your own limited means and capacity rather than those of the Apostles and Apostolic successors, the Doctors of the Church. They discussed and debated all the major questions of the Christian faith in Ecumenical Councils and left us with the foundations of doctrines and creeds of the Catholic Church.

Of course, we each make our choices on soteriology. Catholics look at it as following Christ as the head of His Church, and His authority is vested in His Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

With this in mind, you can understand that Calvin or Luther or your interpretations and teaching on salvation have no authority. They may be interesting to discuss, and many of the particulars were discussed and debated long ago as the Church developed doctrine and creeds, but they are not given the weight of real authority.

I say this to explain where we come from in viewing other's individual views and interpretation, not to demean or insult your own personal search for truth.

Thanks for your courteous reply.

103 posted on 11/30/2010 1:28:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Siena Dreaming; UnRuley1
Every redeemed person is "full of grace". And without the fullness of grace none of us will see Heaven.

Correct, but the Blessed Virgin Mary was in this state PRIOR to the Conception of Christ.

Colossians refers to believers (not just Mary) as possessing God's "fullness" quite a few times. When a person is saved (as Mary realized she was in the Luke passage) he/she has come into God's fullness.

Yes, Mary already knew that she was saved. This was BEFORE our Lord offered salvation to the rest of mankind. The Blessed Mother didn't know that she would be saved, she knew that she already was.

As far as your ark discussion, that is allegory and is a nice picture but I don't see anything close to such a comparison in the Scriture for Mary.

Really, you don't think that Jesus Christ offered a new Covenant?

104 posted on 11/30/2010 1:32:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Works are a product of faith. To claim works as your salvation is to deny Jesus Christ as your Savior.

God Bless


105 posted on 11/30/2010 1:33:30 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: Siena Dreaming

Why are “protest”ants so determined to prove Mary was a sinner? Does it make you feel better or something?
She was conceived “without” sin. If you don’t like it, take it up with Jesus.


106 posted on 11/30/2010 1:34:01 PM PST by UnRuley1
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To: wagglebee
You mean like the fact that the heresy known as "sola scriptura" has been causing groups to splinter almost from day one?

So? People have been splintering from the Catholic Church for 2000 years. There were various heresies, let's see, the Gnostics, Montanism, Arianism, Nestorianism. Then the Orthodox split. Or did Rome split from them? I'm not sure.

Then Luther and Henry VIII, of course. Some Baptists claim that they have been here all along. I sorta like that view, it's called "Landmarkism". Even though evidence seems to be thin on the ground. Islam is considered by many to be originally a Christian heresy, although I would think that it would be from Orthodoxy rather than Rome. Then there are the sects that sort of split from Protestantism that cannot be considered doctrinally sound. The Mormons, the Jehovah's witnesses, etc. The Protestants don't claim them and neither do the Catholics. Can some of them be saved? I don't know, I rather think it would be hard, but acceptance of Christ as Savior is the key. Every thing else is important, but not necessary. And not adequate

then there are numerous recent splits from the RCC. The Old Catholics, Mel Gibson's father's group, the feminist priests, the liberation theology theologians, etc. I'll admit the RCC has done a fantastic job with them lately, but will it always be so? the politics make it seem that eventually there will be a split between the modernists and the traditionalists, and the modernists may get the Vatican. Who knows?

Anyway, wagglebee, you are a good guy. I have followed you ping lists with much interest and agreement. But we are just going to have to disagree on this issue. Go with Christ, brother.

107 posted on 11/30/2010 1:35:25 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: wagglebee

OK, I gotta ask, “What is ‘YOPIOS’”?

Thanks


108 posted on 11/30/2010 1:38:01 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: wagglebee
It just seems odd to ignore the Word of God for the opinion of Paul.

If it were true it would be odd. However, for some strange reason you believe a myth.

That's because the vast majority are mainline Protestants

Wrong again. Only a small majority are mainline.

109 posted on 11/30/2010 1:40:08 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: UnRuley1
If you don’t like it, take it up with Jesus.

Actually, Jesus is pretty clear that all humanity is fallen and nowhere implies that his mother or father were in a different state.

110 posted on 11/30/2010 1:45:49 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: chesley
People have been splintering from the Catholic Church for 2000 years. There were various heresies, let's see, the Gnostics, Montanism, Arianism, Nestorianism.

Yes, heretics have been leaving the Church for 2000 years. But the Church hasn't splintered.

Then the Orthodox split. Or did Rome split from them? I'm not sure.

Not over any disagreement regarding salvation.

Anyway, wagglebee, you are a good guy. I have followed you ping lists with much interest and agreement. But we are just going to have to disagree on this issue. Go with Christ, brother.

I can live with that. God Bless my FRiend.

111 posted on 11/30/2010 1:49:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Vegasrugrat
No, faith AND works are BOTH a product of God's grace.
112 posted on 11/30/2010 1:50:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chesley

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113 posted on 11/30/2010 1:50:46 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: chesley
Your
Own
Personal
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114 posted on 11/30/2010 1:51:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chesley

Welcome to Freeper’s coin acronym words! LOL!


115 posted on 11/30/2010 1:52:38 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: wagglebee
I'm just going to have to put it like this. The relationship to God through Jesus is the important thing.

It is simple, and can be done by anyone. But it requires repentance for your sins. Which implies that you will try to overcome them.

If you do not, perhaps you just made an emotional commitment, and I would say were not truly saved to begin with, regardless of you has baptized you.

Pentecostals, it seems to me, make this error, often, but I have known many that I have no doubt are true Christians.

Everything else is, well, important, but will not cost you your salvation if it is mistaken. But to me, having to , I don't know, do confession to a priest, eat bread that you believe is actual flesh, finger beads, etc. smacks of magic far more than checking the Bible our for yourself, and following where that leads you. No offense. Unlike some, I do not dispute the Christianity of the RCC.

As for your second question, I believe that the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is precisely the final rejection of Christ.

In fact, I may be mistaken, I think this is probably the RCC's position, too. On one website by a RCC priest, the question of "once saved, always saved" came up, a good Baptist position. Naturally the good Father was having none of it.

What he said, and is in fact the correct interpretation of said doctrine, is that those who hold to that position say that if you have "lost" your salvation, then you didn't have it to begin with.

Now, I could give the arguments and verses to support this position, but that isn't my point. What the priest did say was, "But our Baptist friends have it right in its essentials. The unforgivable sin is to die with a final rejection of Christ." Or words to that effect. As I said, I do not know the official Vatican position on that.

116 posted on 11/30/2010 1:52:49 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: wagglebee
Correct, but the Blessed Virgin Mary was in this state PRIOR to the Conception of Christ.

As were the Old Testament saints. Faith was granted before the historical advent of Christ. Abraham also experienced salvation so was "full of grace".

Really, you don't think that Jesus Christ offered a new Covenant?

If one believes in a New Covenant it's certainly not a prerequisite that one must believe the allegory that Mary is a parallel to the ark.

117 posted on 11/30/2010 1:54:04 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: wagglebee
It just seems odd to ignore the Word of God for the opinion of Paul.

so the letters of Paul are not part of the Word of God? Or do you mean "your" opinion of Paul

118 posted on 11/30/2010 1:56:38 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Only a small majority are mainline.

Nonsense.

There are about 2.1 billion Christians in the world and of those about 1.4 billion are Catholic and Orthodox.

Of the remainder:

105 million are Baptists
75 million are Methodists
87 million are Lutherans
75 million are Reformed/Calvinist 82 million are Anglican

119 posted on 11/30/2010 2:01:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: D-fendr
Why, you're welcome. I never get snarky with people I respect.

Of course, we each make our choices on soteriology. Catholics look at it as following Christ as the head of His Church, and His authority is vested in His Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

See, this is where the basic disagreement is. Protestants simply do not accept that the Pope is more than a man, or that the Church has that kind of authority, as the Pope, or the College of Cardinals, or papal commissions are men, maybe filled with the Holy Spirit, maybe not. But let us face it; there have been a number of Popes that would not qualify for the word "Christian" in any but the most formal sense. Been a few Baptist preachers like that, too, and I DO NOT want to mention the choir directors.

120 posted on 11/30/2010 2:02:05 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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