Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?

Rethinking Mormonism ^

[SENTINEL]

Early mormon leaders claimed that Islam was set up as a standard against the "so called christian church". They were VERY found of islam. Brigham Young even taught islamic DECAPITATION for "apostates" who leave the church.

Sandra now, on cue, will deny this, and after she does I'll post referenced links.

This is also about the time in these threads where they start to complain to the moderators about "hate speech",....So they also follow the "lawfare" tactics of islam. Bearing false witness is just as optional to the mormon as is commiting adultery when the "prophet" is involved.

[Godzilla]

Saundra said : spreading rumors, half-truths, and outright lies about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Really now SD? And I suppose you can pony up the truth to support your statement. If not, then consider your words as reflecting on you, not the rest of us.

[delacoert]

So, “being sealed with” is synonymous with “screwing around”?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Smith's adulteries were ever so holy. The consummation of each plural marriage was ever so celestial.

[ansel12]

CATHOLIC ANSWERS:
Question: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn't that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren't cult members separated as well?

Answer: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.

The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.

[Palladin]

IOW, Smith was a horny bastard, and father of many other horny bastards?

And I always thought that Mormons were uptight.

[Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage]

Thank you for fulfilling prophesy. Joseph Smith said his name would be known for good and evil. You know his name for evil; I know his name for good.

The same can be said about the braindead who voted for Obama. I see him for what he really is........evil.

[delacoert]

One of his nicer traits actually.

[CodeToad]

Mormon and Islam were both started by the same type of tyrannical perverts.

[Graybeard58]

You will not find him mentioned in Holy Scripture.

Some of the more aware Inmans will correct me if I'm wrong but I've read that Joseph did indeed add his name near the end of the book of Genesis, in his "edit" of the Bible.

[Graybeard58]

You will not find him mentioned in Holy Scripture.

Except that throughout scripture, we are warned about false prophets.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“It’s an industry whose existence and success depends on spreading rumors, half-truths, and outright lies about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”

If you are sooooo sure there are:

rumors
half-truths
outright lies

Then perhaps you will share which of these is which:

1. Mormons believe in many, many gods.
2. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was created and not eternally God.
3. Mormons believe that the gods breed in heaven in order to create additional spirit children.
4. Mormons believe polygamy is STILL practiced in heaven.
5. Mormons believe they can qualify to become gods with their own planet, wives and worshippers.

OK, Saundra, which of those statements are TRUE (all of them are true, by the way), which are “rumors”, which are “half-truths”, and which are “outright lies?”

Please come right out and tell the truth.

ampu

PS - For the record, I am not earning a single penny by pointing this out to you. Never have. Never will. And every statement above is true.

[reaganaut]

Thank you for fulfilling prophesy. Joseph Smith said his name would be known for good and evil. You know his name for evil; I know his name for good.

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Sandy, we’ve been over this. That isn’t a ‘prophecy’ that is a captain obvious statement. The same can be said about anyone, even me. The LDS on here know my ‘name’ for evil, and the Inmans and other Christians know it for good.

Smith was a charlatan and a horn dog who slept with (among others) his WIFE”S BEST FRIEND (Eliza Snow). He is getting his ‘reward’, eternal punishment.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

throughout scripture, we are warned about false prophets.

Yep. Here are just a few verses:

Deuteronomy 18:22 "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Ezekiel 13:9 "My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations."

Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

[Colonel_Flagg]

The headline infers that Joseph Smith was a prophet in the first place. Since he was no such thing, the question is moot.

[Republic]

If what I just read is true...joseph and brigham enjoyed lots of sex with other men’s wives at the expense of great heartache and despair because ‘they received word from God to go get um’ or words to that effect. Very handy. And very unlike our Father in Heaven. In fact, it is creepy on every level. Just plain wrong. Ugly.

[Americanexpat]

I woulda let the president marry my ex wife if he took up the child support and alimony payments too.

[TRY ONE]

The only way to pick up chicks ‘back then’ was at an Adam & Eve reunion!

[delacoert]

So, “being sealed with” is synonymous with “screwing around”?

Did Joseph Smith have marital relations with his polygamous wives?

- Faithful Mormon Melissa Lott (Smith Willes) testified that she had been Joseph's wife "in very deed." (Affidavit of Melissa Willes, 3 Aug. 1893, Temple Lot case, 98, 105; Foster, Religion and Sexuality, 156.)

- In a court affidavit, faithful Mormon Joseph Noble wrote that Joseph told him he had spent the night with Louisa Beaman. (Temple Lot Case, 427)

- Emily D. Partridge (Smith Young) said she "roomed" with Joseph the night following her marriage to him and said that she had "carnal intercourse" with him. (Temple Lot case (complete transcript), 364, 367, 384; see Foster, Religion and Sexuality, 15.)

In total, 13 faithful latter-day saint women who were married to Joseph Smith swore court affidavits that they had sexual relations with him.

- Joseph Smith's personal secretary records that on May 22nd, 1843, Smith's first wife Emma found Joseph and Eliza Partridge secluded in an upstairs bedroom at the Smith home. Emma was devastated.
William Clayton's journal entry for 23 May (see Smith, 105-106)

- Smith's secretary William Clayton also recorded a visit to young Almera Johnson on May 16, 1843: "Prest. Joseph and I went to B[enjamin] F. Johnsons to sleep." Johnson himself later noted that on this visit Smith stayed with Almera "as man and wife" and "occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the previous month he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge as his wife." Almera Johnson also confirmed her secret marriage to Joseph Smith: "I lived with the prophet Joseph as his wife and he visited me at the home of my brother Benjamin F." (Zimmerman, I Knew the Prophets, 44. See also "The Origin of Plural Marriage, Joseph F. Smith, Jr., Deseret News Press, page 70-71.)

- Faithful Mormon and Stake President Angus Cannon told Joseph Smith's son: "Brother Heber C. Kimball, I am informed, asked [Eliza R. Snow] the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith and afterwards to Brigham Young, when she replied in a private gathering, "I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that."" (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 23, LDS archives.)

Did Joseph Smith father any children from his polygamous wives?

- Stake President Angus Cannon also testified: "I will now refer you to one case where it was said by the girl's grandmother that your father [Joseph Smith] has a daughter born of a plural wife. The girl's grandmother was Mother Sessions . . . She was the grand-daughter of Mother Sessions. That girl, I believe, is living today, in Bountiful, north of this city. I heard prest. Young, a short time before his death, refer to the report . . . The woman is now said to have a family of children, and I think she is still living." (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 25-26, LDS archives.)

- Faithful Mormon and wife of Joseph Smith, Sylvia Sessions (Lyon), on her deathbed told her daughter, Josephine, that she (Josephine) was the daughter of Joseph Smith. Josephine testified: "She (Sylvia) then told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith, she having been sealed to the Prophet at the time that her husband Mr. Lyon was out of fellowship with the Church." (Affidavit to Church Historian Andrew Jenson, 24 Feb. 1915)

- In her testimony given at a Brigham Young University devotional, Faithful Mormon Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner stated that she knew of children born to Smith's plural wives: "I know he [Joseph Smith] had six wives and I have known some of them from childhood up. I know he had three children. They told me. I think two are living today but they are not known as his children as they go by other names." (Read her full BYU testimony here:http://www.ldshistory.net/pc/...

- Faithful Mormon Prescindia D. Huntington, who was Normal Buell's wife and simultaneously a "plural wife" of the Prophet Joseph Smith, said that she did not know whether her husband Norman "or the Prophet was the father of her son, Oliver." And a glance at a photo of Oliver shows a strong resemblance to Emma Smith's boys.
(Mary Ettie V. Smith, "Fifteen Years Among the Mormons", page 34; also Fawn Brodie "No Man Knows My History" pages 301-302, 437-39)

- Researchers have tentatively identified eight children that Joseph Smith may have had by his plural wives. Besides Josephine Fisher (b. Feb. 8, 1844) and Oliver Buell, named as possible children of Joseph Smith by his plural wives are John R. Hancock (b. Apr. 19, 1841), George A. Lightner (b. Mar. 12, 1842), Orson W. Hyde (b. Nov. 9, 1843), Frank H. Hyde (b. Jan 23, 1845), Moroni Pratt (b. Dec. 7, 1844), and Zebulon Jacobs (b. Jan 2, 1842). ("Mormon Polygamy: A History" by LDS Historian Richard S. Van Wagoner, pages 44, 48- 49n3.)

There is another piece of evidence you might consider in examining Joseph Smith's sexual behavior. The following excerpt is from a love letter Joseph Smith wrote when he wanted to arrange a liaison with Newel K. Whitney's daughter Sarah Ann, whom Smith had secretly "married." It reveals Smith's cloak-and-dagger approach to his extramarital affairs:

joseph smith polygamy"... the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect safty. ... Only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible, I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater friendship, and the more Joy, when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. ... I close my letter, I think Emma wont come tonight if she dont, dont fail to come to night, I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend. Joseph Smith."
- Joseph Smith Handwritten Letter, http://www.xmission.com/~rese...

[delacoert]

If you have a minute, please look through #58 and tell me which of the statements are rumors? half-truths? outright lies?

[ejonesie22]

Yes, we Mormons are a bunch of ignorant gullible stupid robots walking around like little zombies.

Not all, there are those in control of the message and their operatives...