Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?

Rethinking Mormonism ^

[Elsie]

 

There is no church that can guarantee you heaven just for joining, and there is no group damned to hell for the same.

 

Quick!

 

Get BACK on yer Alzhiemer med's!

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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY

CHAPTER 14

 

An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C.

 

  1 And it shall come to pass, that if the ^aGentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in ^bpower, in very deed, unto the ^ctaking away of their ^dstumbling blocks—

  2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be ^anumbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a ^bblessed people upon the ^cpromised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.

  3 And that great ^apit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that ^bhell which hath no end.

  4 For behold, this is according to the ^acaptivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him.

  5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be ^awell with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso ^brepenteth not must perish.

  6 Therefore, ^awo be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.

  7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a ^amarvelous work among the children of men; a ^bwork which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto ^cpeace and ^dlife eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the ^ecaptivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.

  8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the ^acovenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea.

  9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the ^adevil.

  10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save ^atwo churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the ^bother is the church of the ^cdevil; wherefore, ^dwhoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the ^ewhore of all the earth.

  11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many ^awaters; and she had dominion over ^ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.

  12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were ^afew, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ^ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.

  13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to ^afight against the Lamb of God.

  14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were ^aarmed with ^brighteousness and with the ^cpower of God in great glory.

  15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was ^apoured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the ^bnations and kindreds of the earth.

  16 And as there began to be ^awars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—

  17 And when the ^aday cometh that the ^bwrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church  of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the ^cwork of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his ^dcovenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.

  18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!

  19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.

  20 And the angel said unto me: Behold ^aone of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

  21 Behold, he shall ^asee and ^bwrite the ^cremainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.

  22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.

  23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the ^abook which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most ^bprecious and easy to the understanding of all men.

  24 And behold, the things which this ^aapostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.

  25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should ^awrite them.

  26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have ^awritten them; and they are ^bsealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.

  27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was ^aJohn, according to the word of the angel.

  28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.

  29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my ^afather saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.

  30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was ^acarried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are ^btrue. And thus it is. Amen.

 

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[Elsie]

Either way, you are way off.

Don't worry; we Inmen will correct the wrong ideas about MORMONism with our QUOTES from MORMON writings.

You may post MORMON writings to support YOUR view as well; if you wish.

[Elsie]

Meant to ping you to the above

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Joseph Smith was called of God to be a prophet
and the instrument through which the fullness
of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to
the earth.”

Normandy, you are making a HUGE claim of truth
here. Yet I do not see a single fact to support
your claim. Nor a single shred of evidence to
support your claim. Nor a single logical argument
that would allow any open minded person to believe
that your claim is reasonable, plausible or true.

Do you not have any facts, evidence or logical
argument to support this claim? If you do, I would
like to see it.

Best,
ampu

[Colofornian]

Yeah, I've noticed that since the imam's can't compete in ideas they call in the flying monkeys and try to win by attrition, it doesn't make what they are saying right, just voluminously wrong. Delph

[Pray tell us then, oh DU one, why the one poster we know of as "Monkey Face" is Lds???]

[Elsie]

Meant to ping you to the above

[Elsie]

This time with Jim rob zotting any thing about him, I hope the focus will be on getting a conservative in office, not on the religion of the candidates.

You miss the point AGAIN!

It's the BULL**** about him that gets zotted!

[Elsie]

Believe what you will, just don't teach what I believe and get it wrong.

I haven't been; have I?

I post what the MORMON Organization® had written and taught.

What you 'BELIEVE' is not worth argueing about.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“The word “trinity” does not appear in the Bible but is a man-made concept”

You have made this silly argument many times. Each time, you have been corrected. You still make it.

The word “BIBLE” isn’t in the Bible, but you just used it
and we all knew exactly what you meant.

The word “trinity” is not used in the Bible, yet the truth
of the Triune God is presented there.

What is man made is the mormon and hindu and pagan belief
in many gods. God Himself, in Deuteronomy says that He is ONE GOD and besides Him there is no other god.

You are deeply confused, based on your posting history on FR. Deeply, terribly confused.

ampu

[Elsie]

But you seem to want your interpretation of our message to be heard much more.

Oh?

How is posting MORMON QUOTES, 'interpretting' anything?

[Elsie]

Ignoring most of your posts as usual, they are colorful, but lack substance...

Hey!

I can't make your HEADQUARTERS improve their output!

[CommerceComet]

I know that I said that I would get back to you on this topic about a month ago and I will when I have a little more time to get into it. However, I couldn't let this pass without comment.

the Idea that Paul a learned man, a great speaker and linguist would pause in listing qualifications and make a doctrinal statement about the number of wives allowed, and then continue on as if nothing had happened, is well laughable.

Paul may be limiting the pool of qualified men to only those who have one wife (or for the time being, granting your odd interpretation of the passage, at least one wife). Paul could well be laying out the qualification that officers must not only be married but married in a particular way. Many of the qualifications have doctrinal underpinnings. This is neither the time nor the place for Paul to expound upon them. He would expect Timothy, Titus, and the others to whom this letter is passed to understand the doctrine involved without further explanation. To expect Paul to launch into a doctrinal discourse at this time is the "laughable" idea.

so to present it as a concrete argument against polygamy, when I know we have discussed it before is well misleading at best.

To the vast majority of scholars who have examined this issue, it is settled and the bulk of the evidence suggests that Paul meant to exclude men who practice polygamy (or polygyny if you chose). To suggest that it is some red-hot, burning controversy in the NT Greek community of scholars is the misleading position.

Mia gune aner (the Greek Paul used) can be translated as One wife of a husband, at least one wife of a husband or a first wife of a husband. If he meant only one wife, he would have omitted the mia and used only gune aner which would have meant wife of a husband, singular.

Without doing any injustice to the Greek, it can also be translated husband of one wife as it has been traditionally translated. Paul, in all likelihood, used the word mia to emphasize the idea of one. If he meant to exclude polygamy, the use of the word mia is needed to drive home the specific point. "Husband of a wife" doesn't necessarily exclude polygamy. A husband could be husband of a wife, husband of a second wife, husband of a third wife,... But inserting the word "one" makes that interpretation much more difficult.

[Monkey Face]

You pinged me because...??
You’re extremely bored because you ran out of places to shop?
Christmas isn’t soon enough for you to beat up on a Mormon?
Your mother told you it would be a good idea to get in a snide remark and a little sarcasm before the holidays?
You were hoping for a little tete-a-tete before Christmas?
Here’s hoping you are able to fill your heart with the spirit of Christ before the celebration of His birth.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

The only decorations that will grace the ‘Face House will be Nativities. If you think that is sacriligious or or hypocritical, take it up with God.

You are not worth any arguments.

[svcw]

You said: When the church was organized in Fayette New York, there were “people of color” in attendance and they were some of the first members. I believe you are referring to giving the priesthood to these people of color which happened in 1978. Either way, you are way off.

I said: So you are verifying that people of color had no import in lds until 1978. Wow, finally a truth.

Then you said: Your accuracy in interpreting my words is matched only by the anti’s interpretations of the Bible on this thread.

I am asking: how was I wrong?

[Elsie]

Good grief, are we talking about masturbation and oral sex again?

Only ONE is talking;
the other is THINKING...

[Elsie]

God told us to obey the government.

Like destroying printing presses and hitting on other men's wives?

Shame on you!

Like starting your own bank and defaulting with other folk's money?

Shame on you!

[Elsie]

God told us to obey the government.

Bull!

Even in other countries where POLYGAMY is LEGAL; the MORMON religious organization will NOT allow it's members to follow what GOD told them in D&C 132!

MORMONism breeds hypocracy: BIG time!

[Elsie]

Sandy:I've done a bunch of other noteworthy stuff but I can't think of it all right now.

Perhaps it is written real teeny on the back of her Badge of Honor.

[Elsie]

And you are only halfway thru the thread so far!