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To: HarleyD

There you go again, using Scripture to back predestinarian doctrine as opposed to universalist hunches.


2 posted on 11/26/2010 7:11:12 AM PST by Gamecock (New TSA Slogans: 1. If We DonÂ’t Get Off, You DonÂ’t Get On 2. We Love Your Fly and It Shows)
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To: Gamecock

Neo-Augustinian neo-Manichaeism.


3 posted on 11/26/2010 7:15:40 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Gamecock
That's an interesting straw man.

Have fun knocking it down as there will be no one here to argue it.

5 posted on 11/26/2010 7:22:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Gamecock

No, there Calvin goes misapplying scripture and ignoring what doesn’t fit his preconceived views.

For example, as evidence that most men are “foreordained to everlasting death.[7]”, it offers:

[7] ROM 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.

EPH 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

PRO 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Yet Romans 9-11 is manifestly NOT about individual salvation, for individual Jews were and are being saved, but about corporate election (http://evangelicalarminians.org/taxonomy/term/21).

Ephesians 1, likewise, says nothing about how we become elect, merely that we are - which is consistent with Arminian teaching. We are elect IN CHRIST: “He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will”, and predestined to be like Jesus - but is this because he picked our names, and then gave us life, and then gave us faith, or is it because he chose to give life to all who believe the promise of God?

Jesus commanded, “...the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” - Mark 1 It required the efforts of Calvin to turn this into a meaningless statement, for according to Calvin, they either cannot repent, or must, and have no say either way.


9 posted on 11/26/2010 9:54:51 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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