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To: Gamecock

No, there Calvin goes misapplying scripture and ignoring what doesn’t fit his preconceived views.

For example, as evidence that most men are “foreordained to everlasting death.[7]”, it offers:

[7] ROM 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.

EPH 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

PRO 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Yet Romans 9-11 is manifestly NOT about individual salvation, for individual Jews were and are being saved, but about corporate election (http://evangelicalarminians.org/taxonomy/term/21).

Ephesians 1, likewise, says nothing about how we become elect, merely that we are - which is consistent with Arminian teaching. We are elect IN CHRIST: “He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will”, and predestined to be like Jesus - but is this because he picked our names, and then gave us life, and then gave us faith, or is it because he chose to give life to all who believe the promise of God?

Jesus commanded, “...the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” - Mark 1 It required the efforts of Calvin to turn this into a meaningless statement, for according to Calvin, they either cannot repent, or must, and have no say either way.


9 posted on 11/26/2010 9:54:51 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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When Paul wrote Ephesians 1:5 regarding predestination, Paul was only writing to individual Christian Grace believers; saints In Christ; not to the corporate body of believers: and not to Catholics, but real Christian Grace Saint Believers.
10 posted on 11/26/2010 2:34:05 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: Mr Rogers

“Yet Romans 9-11 is manifestly NOT about individual salvation, for individual Jews were and are being saved, but about corporate election”

If this is so, why are particular names mentioned in verse 13 - “As it is written, “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated.”?

Romans 9:18 - “So then he has mercy on WHOMever he wills, and he hardens WHOMever he wills.”


25 posted on 11/30/2010 7:20:40 AM PST by paulist ("For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21)
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