Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...
It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).
LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:
"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:
"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:
"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)
LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:
"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).
LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:
"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)
LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:
"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).
As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:
"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]
Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:
"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]
LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:
"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).
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What the Bible Says About God
1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.
"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12
"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6
"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25
The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.
2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.
"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4
"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9
"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17
"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142
The LDS god achieved holiness.
3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.
"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5
The LDS god had to learn everything.
4. ALL POWERFUL
"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6
"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20
The LDS god attained his power.
5. OMNIPRESENT
"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1
"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24
The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.
6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION
"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24
"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6
"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6
The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.
7. NO OTHER GODS
"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9
"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8
The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.
For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:
Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science
You've been a MORMON how long?
And you do NOT seem to know what you posted does NOT jive with MORMON teaching?
As long as a child of God is in this temporal kingdom aka earth they will need to continually take the Lord’s sacrament in order to wash off the dirt of the world.
This is one of the covenants made at the time of baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Accept we have one bias RM and one RM that is fair.
The bias RM one day threw an open hizzy fit on the RF many months ago towards the LDS.
This is a fact and can not be denid.
accept except
they will need to continually take the Lord’s sacrament in order to wash off the dirt of the world.
This is one of the covenants made at the time of baptism in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.
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and has absolutly no0thng to do with Christianity...
The bias RM one day threw an open hizzy fit on the RF many months ago towards the LDS.
This is a fact and can not be denid.
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The bias mormon religious moderators, Joey Smith and Briggie Young “threw (several) open hizzy fits many (years) ago towards the (Christians)”...
“This is a fact and can not be denied.”
I just know you are appalled and shamed by their actions...
they will need to continually take the Lord’s sacrament in order to wash off the dirt of the world.
This is one of the covenants made at the time of baptism in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.
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and has absolutly no0thng to do with Christianity...
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Then you don’t understand your scriptures TN as I have stated many times you have the Tradition of men which is the Reader’s Digest version it is a stumbling block!
It is the only way you were taught instead of letting the Holy Spirit edify you as found in the scriptures.
The Book of Mormon was the Key to unlock many of those passages.
There were many passages for centuries unknown which have been open and are now understood because of The Book of Mormon.
I should know I lived through the mainstream until 1982.
Your Trinity doctrine has not changed but many views that were held before are no longer valid in the mainstream.
The veil has been lifted on many passages.
Those other mainstream churches that have not been Calvinized or Reform, continue to embrace free will and work. vs predestination.
Then you don’t understand your scriptures TN
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No Resty it is you who does not understand my Christian scriptures
The LORD Jesus Christ told us Christians to remember Him with bread to represent His body that was broken for us and WINE to represent His Blood that weas shede on the Cross for us...
The mormons use bread and WATER for their pagan rituals to their mormon god...
The scriptures in the Christian Bible are quite clear...
WINE is wine (Grape juice is acceptable)
WATER is water...
The LORD Jesus Christ had BLOOD in the his veins not WATER...
The bias RM one day threw an open hizzy fit on the RF many months ago towards the LDS.
This is a fact and can not be denid.
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The bias mormon religious moderators, Joey Smith and Briggie Young “threw (several) open hizzy fits many (years) ago towards the (Christians)”...
“This is a fact and can not be denied.”
I just know you are appalled and shamed by their actions...
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I think you are sadly mistaken that bias RM you accuse of being favor towards the LDS is the one who started...
Daily Reflections with Oswald Chambers [November 11, 2010]
My Utmost for His Highest (The Golden Book of Oswald Chambers;1992) ^ | 1935/1992 | Oswald Chambers
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This RM who is a Calvinist I believe has the sweet Spirit of the Lord.
you really are peddling I been to churches that used grape juice and water long before I ever was LDS!
BTW
Who gave the ok for grape juice if wine is wine huh?
I don’t understand the uproar and mockery over the use of grape juice. If some believers take the admonition to avoid drunkenness to heart to the point of avoiding alcohol altogether, that’s their prerogative and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Wine was used because it kept. There was no refrigeration. There is now. No reason not to take advantage of it if prayer and contemplation leads to that. No reason to condemn others who use wine because it was used Biblically either, on the other hand. So long as it’s not used to excess there is no harm and it could actually be healthy and beneficial.
Maybe my perspective is unique, being the child of a Moravian and a Primitive Baptist, raised Lutheran. I have family on all sides of that debate. They do as they see fit and I’m fine with that, their salvation is not endangered either way. It’s a minor doctrinal dispute.
The bias mormon religious moderators, Joey Smith and Briggie Young “threw (several) open hizzy fits many (years) ago towards the (Christians)”...
“This is a fact and can not be denied.”
I just know you are appalled and shamed by their actions...
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This is so hypocritical and denies it all you want but I grew up in at the time in the environment and even the nation faiths itself as a people had a bias towards the Catholic, remember the KKK it was not started by the LDS.
Unless I was in the pew of the church I would not know what goes on in there I can only speak from where I been or who has openly spoken on the air waves after the forming of the ecumenical council all this stuff died down.
BTW not like the FR ecumenical forum which for some reason seems to want perpetuate this stuff.
Somehow like Lot’s wife so many want to look back instead of adhering to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ so many want to cling to but dismiss Him when it interferes with one’s own axes to grind.
Anyway the Lord continues to long suffering and patiently to get His flock to Love One Another.
This continuing to stir the Pot is not of the Lord.
Then you don’t understand your scriptures TN as I have stated many times you have the Tradition of men ______________________________________________
No Resty...
I have the words of the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible about Communion, the LORD’s Supper...
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then He took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” The LORD Jesus Christ Matthew 26:26-28
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then He took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” He said to them. The LORD Jesus Christ Mark 14:22-24
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” The LORD Jesus Christ Luke 22:19, 20
And from Paul...
For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 1 Corinthians 11:23-26
remember the KKK it was not started by the LDS.
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How do you know ???
The mormons were biased and bigotted towards blacks and Catholics long before the KKK was started...
Does somneone elses bigotry make the bigotry of the mormons OK or something ???
Only the mormons have racism in their docrines...
Somehow like Lot’s wife so many want to look back instead of adhering to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ
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Kinda like Joey Smith and his mormons look back eh ???
“restoration” of former things is not “adhering to the words of the LORD Jesus Christ”
you really are peddling I been to churches that used grape juice and water long before I ever was LDS!
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Like I said ...
Christian Churches...
But not the “LDS”
The mormons only use WATER...
Whats that about ???
The weak timid victim mormon jesus only had WATER in its veins ???
Who gave the ok for grape juice if wine is wine huh?
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And this from someone who supports the use of WATER ???
WINE is Grape Juice, fermented...
So tell us again why the mormons use WATER instead of WINE or GRAPE JUICE ???
Oh yes thats right ...
the mormon jesus is another jesus...
a different jesus...
Not the same Jesus
“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.
No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26
BTW I see that you are copying me again...
ow you say “the Lord Jesus Chrsit”
Thats new for you...
Ive known Him as the LORD Jesus Christ most of my life...
My gg grandfather’s 1860 Bible had the words printed that way - the LORD Jesus Christ...
the LORD God .. Jesus Christ is LORD...
you really are peddling
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Yeppers and Im getting somewhere...
remember the KKK it was not started by the LDS.
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How do you know ???
The mormons were biased and bigotted towards blacks and Catholics long before the KKK was started...
Does somneone elses bigotry make the bigotry of the mormons OK or something ???
Only the mormons have racism in their docrines...
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The Church doctrine was never bigoted towards blacks there were Church policies to still the waters.
The Blacks were not an issue it was the prejudice whites who have not yet grown in their soul.
TN you may wave a magic wand in your faith and all the baggage of the pass is presto gone with your converts but in reality it is a work in progress.
Yes many of you antis keep trying to smear the LDS with the mainstream bigotry brush towards Catholic that was held for years until the ecumenical council.
BTW who is that still today attacking the Catholic on the FR forum?
The Church doctrine was never bigoted towards blacks there were Church policies to still the waters.
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Oh Elsie, dear....
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