Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...
It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).
LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:
"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:
"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:
"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:
"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)
LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:
"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).
LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:
"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)
LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:
"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).
LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:
"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).
As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:
"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]
Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:
"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]
LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:
"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).
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What the Bible Says About God
1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.
"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12
"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6
"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25
The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.
2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.
"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4
"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9
"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17
"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142
The LDS god achieved holiness.
3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.
"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5
The LDS god had to learn everything.
4. ALL POWERFUL
"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6
"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20
The LDS god attained his power.
5. OMNIPRESENT
"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1
"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24
The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.
6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION
"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24
"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6
"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6
The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.
7. NO OTHER GODS
"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9
"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8
The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.
For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:
Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science
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Wrong Resty, my fithly rags have been washed clean and made white as snow by the Blood of Jesus shed on the Cross. His blood is suffucient to cleanse ALL sin.
It is the Mormon Jesus that seems to need help with your works and whose blood isn't worth much (since it only kicks in AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO and doesn't cover all sin).
Resty, you should talk given the uncertain status in 1844 that Joseph Smith had shortly before he died. Smith must have felt the guilt gnawing at him from no assurance of forgiveness of sins; but he wouldn't let go of his "everlasting burnings" teaching late in life:
"Those who have done wrong ALWAYS have that wrong gnawing them. Immortality dwells in everlasting burnings." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1938, p. 367)
(Yeah, some "immortality" that will be...ALWAYS conscious of sin gnawing away at you conscience and ALWAYS regretful over the lack of trust in the true Jesus...as Smith invited his followers to join him in "everlasting burnings.")
Lurkers & Freepers, just tell the Mormon missionaries, "no thanks...I don't want to join Joseph Smith in his 'immortal...everlasting burnings.' 'Tis a tad bit too hot there."
Unlike Smith's Mormonism, ONLY Christianity offers assurance and confidence of salvation NOW. All the man-made religions and the distortions of the Bible by errorists within orthodoxy make eternal life out to be something FUTURE ONLY.
Yes, salvation is future...Yes, eternal life is future (heaven WITH Heavenly Father). But they are also both present.
In fact, salvation is also in one sense past: Calvary...the cross.
What the cultists & errorists miss out on re: the Bible is that Salvation/eternal life is present tense (John 3:36; John 5:24). Why? Because Jesus defined eternal life as a relationship with the true Son and the true Father -- see John 17:3 -- and we don't wait til Heaven to become related to Him. (Also we are born from above on this side of heaven via the Holy Spirit).
It's been a while since I challenged Mormons and those in Christian churches and those unattached to ponder a few Bible verses...so here goes...what could be the most important verses that you digest in your life coupled with the verses I just cited...1 John 5:11-13:
And this is the testimony:
God HAS given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 Whoever HAS the Son HAS life;
whoever does not HAVE the Son of God does not
HAVE life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that YOU MAY KNOW that you HAVE eternal life
Mormons and many so-called "Christians" don't KNOW they HAVE eternal life...no assurance. They think it's somehow all "up in the balance"...as if God doesn't already know our hearts perfectly...and whether or not we're in an active relationship with Him...and if we are trusting Him.
The only guilt here seems to be coming from your imaginations...
Nice try...
Some how the attitude stain never was removed....
You mean there was a time limit on that??? I thought one had to die before entering into Final Judgment?
Oh yeah, I forgot that in Mormonism, it's never really final until the person succeeds in that final push towards into Godhood. Maybe. Because when you consider the teachings about creation and the development of gods in the Mormon pantheon, only Intelligence is said to reign forever. Even a god can fall down and go boom (again), if he doesn't keep his nose clean after exaltation.
Jesus has washed my spirit and soul clean ... it helped me love Mormons who reject the true Jesus of the Bible, not the one described in the BOM or Talmadge’s writings of Jesus ...
You mean there was a time limit on that??? I thought one had to die before entering into Final Judgment?
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I am not the one who claim...
my fithly rags have been washed clean and made white as snow by the Blood of Jesus shed on the Cross. His blood is suffucient to cleanse ALL sin.
I am not the one who claim...
my fithly rags have been washed clean and made white as snow by the Blood of Jesus shed on the Cross. His blood is suffucient to cleanse ALL sin.
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Well you may not claim that for yourself, resty...
But I do for me...
Even if I had committed murder, the Power that is in the Blood that the LORD Jesus Christ shed on the Cross to save me, would be strong enough to forgive me even that evil deed...
Instantly...
I do not have to wait years or centuries for the power that is in the Blood of Jesus to work...
His Blood has miracle working power...
PRAY!
(That I do not become mere wallcovering like this stuff behind me!)
Speaking of trying:
Have you given up on getting a valid Temple Recommend®?
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