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Church rejects Mormon couple as Cub leaders
NewJersey.com ^ | Thursday, October 21, 2010

Posted on 10/22/2010 2:42:31 AM PDT by Gamecock

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — In shopping around for a Cub Scout program for their two sons, ages 6 and 8, Jeremy and Jodi Stokes decided on the one at Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, N.C.

The Stokeses, also of Matthews, weren't members of the evangelical megachurch, but they had many friends who were. And unlike the Cub Scout pack at their own church, which doesn't have a program for 6-year-old Tiger Scouts, Christ Covenant's was big enough to accommodate both of their boys.

The couple even signed up to be Scout leaders when they discovered the church needed adult help. And when the Scouting officials at Christ Covenant found out Jeremy Stokes was an Eagle Scout, they were thrilled.

So why did Christ Covenant reject the Stokeses' application to be Scout leaders?

Because they're Mormons. And, therefore, not real Christians, church officials told the couple.

"I can't believe they had the audacity to say, 'You can't be leaders, but we want your boys,' " Jodi Stokes said. "Are you kidding me?"

The Rev. Gabe Sylvia, Christ Covenant's staff liaison to the Scouting program, confirmed the Stokeses' account. He called them to apologize but defends the church's decision.

"When it became clear that they were Mormons, they could not become leaders in our pack. Mormonism is not consistent with historical Christianity," he said.

That view — that Mormons, whose church is formally titled the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, are not Christians — is shared by other Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christian churches, as well.

"It was so offensive," said Jodi Stokes, who was raised Catholic, then became a Mormon. "I have a picture of Jesus in my living room."

Members of the Salt Lake City-based church believe salvation is possible because of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. But significant theological differences separate Mormons from most Christian churches.

The LDS church treats as holy scripture the Book of Mormon, which isn't recognized by other churches, but which it believes was divinely revealed to Joseph Smith in the 1820s.

Mormons also disavow belief in the core Christian doctrine of the Trinity — that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one — instead believing the three to be individuals united in a single purpose.

Mormons believe the original Christian church vanished 100 years after Jesus' death and resurrection. The authentic church, they believe, was restored by Smith.


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To: ejonesie22

I attended 3 Catholic Schools and said the Mass in Latin. If my many experiences during those years count for nothing, you have a point.


221 posted on 10/23/2010 8:38:38 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Intolerant of Intolerance)
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To: Gamecock; restornu; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; drstevej; ...
In fact, some of them are still watching over us from the FR Outer Darkness. Wait, I sense one of them right now, it's a bit fuzzy...I can't quite make out his image, but he sez hi and that he is "still a dirty old devil."

LOLOL!!!! I miss them all and long for the day they will be restored.

All kidding aside we honor the founders of the GRPL by [sic] keeping their names there for all to see.

Amen.

222 posted on 10/24/2010 1:48:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Loud Mime
Oh, 3 schools...

Well it is ok then of course...

223 posted on 10/24/2010 4:27:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender
LOL...

Fish in a barrel...

You don't give me what I want because you can't...

Which is why you do our work for us.

You provide links to the material WE use to show the fallacies of the LDS, they are all there in your links, links we give as well. Think about that folks, why would we WANT THEIR information out if we were hiding something.

You call it regurgitated because you have to. Everyday the LDS evangelize with this bilge so everyday the truth must be presented to save those who maybe tricked into their clutches.

Calling it nonsense is one of the few truths you speak yourself, for again we post FROM THOSE LINKS and demonstrate that it is indeed nonsense.

So again, thanks, you are one of our best players...

224 posted on 10/24/2010 4:50:23 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Ripliancum
Do the PCUSA Churches that condone homosexual priests even have Scout organizations, given the internal conflict between the BSA and the homosexual lobby?

Good question!

225 posted on 10/24/2010 4:57:16 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I have a ‘feeling’ that this reply will be seen many more times before the END comes...


226 posted on 10/24/2010 4:59:17 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender

As far as the rest of the attack posts from the anti-Mormon attack squad regulars go, I invite everyone to read all of them and then do some research on your own from more than one side of the “issues”. Don’t forget to check out the vast multitude of others threads just bursting at the seams with anti-Mormon propaganda. You’ll find all sorts of copy/paste fun as well as tons of off the cuff /sarcasm “loving comments” /sarcasm off.

 

You will notice that these mormons cannot identify any:

… Facts
… Evidence
… Logical support

 

You will notice that THIS Mormon; PD;  cannot identify any:

… Facts
… Evidence
… Logical support

 

 

But is VERY GOOD with the ad hominem.

 

 


227 posted on 10/24/2010 5:05:29 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
Everyday the LDS evangelize with this bilge...

And everyday we Flying Inmen are on the WEB; countering heresy...

228 posted on 10/24/2010 5:11:15 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
 
Did SOMEone say "ATTACK"???


 
 
Professor Robert Millet       
teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004
  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted
 

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


229 posted on 10/24/2010 5:13:42 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
“We really aren't obligated to answer everyone’s questions...”

Well that gets proven every post.

But if one had the courage of their convictions, if one really believed in their faith, if one was proud of their beliefs and had nothing to hide the question I would ask is why would you NOT want to answer any and all questions abut your faith.

I know I would and do often when asked.

More over why is the concept of NOT answering everyone's questions being taught to those who are going out to professionally sell your religion that is supposedly the only "true" one.

230 posted on 10/24/2010 5:32:00 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

bumpity, bump, bump!


231 posted on 10/24/2010 5:35:13 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Elsie

Sadly we have to.


232 posted on 10/24/2010 6:08:03 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Elsie

As far as the rest of the attack posts from the anti-Mormon attack squad regulars go, I invite everyone to read all of them and then do some research on your own from more than one side of the “issues”. Don’t forget to check out the vast multitude of others threads just bursting at the seams with anti-Mormon propaganda. You’ll find all sorts of copy/paste fun as well as tons of off the cuff /sarcasm “loving comments” /sarcasm off.

You will notice that these mormons cannot identify any:

… Facts
… Evidence
… Logical support

You will notice that THIS Mormon; PD; cannot identify any:

… Facts
… Evidence
… Logical support

But is VERY GOOD with the ad hominem.


You will notice that if you do as PD says, you will find out he is 100% accurate. It’s all there awaiting your discovery. IF you are sincerely interested.


233 posted on 10/24/2010 7:21:22 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Yes PD is 100% accurate.

All the the information is there at his links.

It is exactly as he says, all nonsense.

That is why those of us presenting the truth use the information at those links as well, to expose the nonsense of the LDS.

Thanks again PD!

Your efforts on our behalf have not been in vain.

234 posted on 10/24/2010 7:28:14 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Paragon Defender
You’ll find all sorts of copy/paste fun as well as tons of off the cuff /sarcasm “loving comments” /sarcasm off.

In reference to /s "loving comments" /s

Make sure you point "Dear Reader's" to the threads and posts where FReeper mormon's accuse Freeper Christians of murder, and arson. And the one's where mormon's threatened to sue...and screamed at Christians here...to "Get OFF their threads!!

You know....in the interest of fairness..and educating "Dear Reader's"....

I'm sure you will do that next time...correct?

lol!!

235 posted on 10/24/2010 8:55:02 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Paragon Defender
You will notice that if you do as PD says, you will find out he is 100% accurate. It’s all there awaiting your discovery. IF you are sincerely interested.

ROFLOL!! 100% accurate!!???

Almost spit out my coffee!! : )

What is it with you guy's referring to yourselves in the 3rd person?

236 posted on 10/24/2010 8:58:43 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: ejonesie22; Paragon Defender; aimhigh; AmericanArchConservative; aMorePerfectUnion; ...

<Smiling from ear-to-ear>

Your comment is just what I think when I read a typical post by a paragon of deflection - couldn't have said it better.


237 posted on 10/24/2010 9:20:08 AM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert
One need not twist or spin when posting the actual quotes of the men who founded the Mormonism cult. The astonishing heresies are self-evident, to anyone with an actual working knowledge of the Bible and Christ's redemptive Grace. Below are examples of just such a rot from Joseph Smith himself, founder of the cult of Mormonism:

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

238 posted on 10/24/2010 9:27:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Placemarker...


239 posted on 10/24/2010 10:08:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: delacoert; Paragon Defender
PD really is one of our best players.

If I were LDS I would tell him to either stop or at least make an effort like some of the others.

As it is our buddy is literally comes off almost like a farce. In much the same manner as one of our other favorite Morg posters there are times I really do wonder whose side they are on, if they are playing their games to make the LDS look foolish and such.

If I was playing like I was a really bad apologist I would almost do the same shtick.

240 posted on 10/24/2010 1:06:04 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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