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"I Don't See Bread, I See Christ": Ecumenical Service in Bern
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 08/26/2010 | Tancred

Posted on 09/26/2010 2:55:40 PM PDT by 0beron

Naturally, a Reformed lay preacher doesn't believe in the Eucharist. Never the less, the old liberal Gaga-Priest brought him to receive and distribute communion.

[kreuz.net, Bern] On Swiss Thank-, Penance- and Bed Day, which occurs on 19th of September, Father Gregor Tolusso (45) held a ceremony with the Reform Minister, Manfred Stuber, at the Trinity church in Bern.

The Liturgical Abuse was carried live by "Swiss Television".

Stuber is the leader of the Reformed Holy-Ghost-Church in Bern. The Trinity Parish is the largest community in the Diocese of Basel.

(Excerpt) Read more at eponymousflower.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Worship
KEYWORDS: abomination; abuse; indifferentism; liturgy

1 posted on 09/26/2010 2:55:42 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

Here’s the link to the thing at gloria tv in German, but you can see what’s basically going on:

http://gloria.tv/?media=99726


2 posted on 09/26/2010 2:56:36 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron
Excuse me, but what do you mean that Reformed lay don't believe in the Eucharist?

Rather, the Reformed and Catholics don't have the same understanding of the Eucharist. It would be wrong for a Reformed minister to participate in the Catholic Eucharist, but this blogger has a very sloppy way of expressing things that only causes more trouble.

3 posted on 09/26/2010 3:14:55 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

No, really he’s right. The Reformed do not believe in the Eucharist. There is no belief in the Real Presence among the Reformed. If there is no belief in the reality of Christ’s flesh in the Eucharist, then there’s no belief in Eucharist.


4 posted on 09/26/2010 3:26:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

> The Reformed do not believe in the Eucharist

I beg to differ. Lutherans most certainly do believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Luther, (a Catholic monk pre-Reformation) said so himself.


5 posted on 09/26/2010 3:51:12 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: XEHRpa

You wrote:

“I beg to differ. Lutherans most certainly do believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Luther, (a Catholic monk pre-Reformation) said so himself.”

I don’t call Lutherans “Reformed”. I restrict the use of that term to the followers of Calvin. Sorry if you were confused. I probably should have said “Calvinists”.


6 posted on 09/26/2010 3:57:32 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: 0beron

7 posted on 09/26/2010 4:03:28 PM PDT by FelixFelicis
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To: XEHRpa

You wrote:

“I beg to differ. Lutherans most certainly do believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Luther, (a Catholic monk pre-Reformation) said so himself.”

I don’t call Lutherans “Reformed”. I restrict the use of that term to the followers of Calvin. Sorry if you were confused. I probably should have said “Calvinists”.


8 posted on 09/26/2010 4:03:36 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: 0beron
It's not actually "Thank- Penance- and Bed" day, but a day of Thanksgiving, Penance and Prayer. In Swiss German the word "Bett" (prayer) is homonymic with the word for "bed" in High German.

It is a Protestant holiday which began as a way to telescope the Catholic holidays of the Name of Mary, the Exaltation of the Holy Cross and others into one day.

9 posted on 09/26/2010 5:12:52 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: vladimir998
Took me years and years to sort out the Reformed from the Protestant from the Evangelical ~ and here's how I do it:

The Reformed have the word "reformed" in the name of their church.

The Protestants may or may not say anything about it, but it will never say RC.

Everybody who wants to be an Evangelical can say that, even Catholics these days.

Depending on other factors the folks with "Apostolic" in their title who are NOT Catholic, mean the Deacons give the orders! If they are Catholic, the Deacons still give the orders but within the framework of a church hierachy, and only to each other.

Then, the big one "HOLINESS" ~ not quite sure how that all breaks down but when I was a kid we had the Holy Spirit RC church on one corner and the Pilgrim Holiness on the other corner.

Stayed away from both of them until I figured out that "Holiness" usually never means the same thing as "Holy Spirit", but sometimes it's close.

BTW, we had Syrian Orthodox in the area, and Syrian Catholics, so I knew that among the "hatted hierarchy" there were differences anyone could see. Those guys were married of course.

Khnowing all of that let me say this about that, don't count on any two Christians understanding the same terms in the same way ~ NOT EVER.

The background discussion on this thread lost me because I couldn't tell what was being talked about ~ was it a Protestant Communion or a Catholic Eucharist, and if Protestant, what kind, and if Catholic, was someone in this Orthodox perhaps (detecting some temporal dilation effects due to the translation software)?!

Let me tell you as a general practice I never participate in Communion at any church but my own! It's "closed" more or less, and everybody sits down and passes the plates and the wine.Ecumenical with those guys means someone from an Independent Christian Church!

10 posted on 09/26/2010 5:14:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That is why we have to pray for the full unity of ALL believers in the body of Christ!


11 posted on 09/26/2010 6:44:18 PM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: wideawake

I looked it up. It’s actually non-sectarian at least in Switzerland, and I thought the Bett- referred to the great plague of 1639. Sorry for the confusion.

Here’s the article:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidgen%C3%B6ssischer_Dank-,_Buss-_und_Bettag


12 posted on 09/26/2010 6:48:26 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron
Well, that sure cleared up things.
13 posted on 09/26/2010 7:43:17 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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