Posted on 09/12/2010 7:59:29 PM PDT by marshmallow
Some of the conclusions of the outgoing Commission on sexual abuse. The Church is announcing a new Commission on Monday.
Two thirds of the victims were boys, girls one third. There are only 45 reports from French-speaking Belgium. 80% of the victims are now over forty years.
* On average, victims were 12 years old when the abuse started, but one was only two years old. Female victims are spread evenly across all ages, the boys are at much higher risk between 10 and 14 years.
* The testimonies show that it is not about superficial groping, but oral and anal abuse, forced and mutual masturbation.
* There is sexual abuse in all religious orders. But there is not one case committed by nuns.
* Thirteen victims committed suicide.
* Only 5% of known victims went to court.
* Half of the known offenders are already deceased.
* The events occurred between the fifties and the late eighties in boarding schools According to the Commission the abuse happened in all schools for boys. After 1985 a sharp decline in the number of known victims.
* Two out of three victims who have personally met the Commission had the facts in their youth told their parents, but almost no one was believed.
* Celibacy is rarely the cause of the sexual abuse that perpetrators commit, according to the first interviews with offenders.
The Commission recommends that in addition a discussion of the statute of limitation:
* Sexual abuse in other religions should be examined. Adriaenssens advocates a faith center for adults, not only addressing sexual abuse, but also violence.
And Cardinal Danneels knew nothing!
It is WRONG to lay all of this at the feet of The Catholic Church!There are”Rotten Apples”in Every Barrel!!The Pope and his Bishops(and Archbishops)are going to root out these”Rotten Apples”.The Holy, Roman Catholic Church has done MORE good in this world than ANY other religious organization EVER!!!May GOD Bless The Catholic Church!!!!
Pedophilia is a worldwide epidemic. You could remove all the Roman Catholics from the Earth and it would not make a dent. It is present among just about every religion and ethnicity there is. It is a condition that a few decent psychologists have pointed out as the result of improper experience and interpretation of one’s developing experiences during adolescence.
I can understand why burnings at the stake sometimes prove useful.
Nothing is too horrible for these immoral UNChristian servants of Satan.
Yes it is wrong to blame only the RC Church...but every Christian organization must NOW disinfect itself of very pedophile.
As for the rest of your statement — No. The Holy Eastern Orthodox Church - the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church - has done far more to preserve and protect mankind from evil than any denomination.
Given the number of boys who were victimized, these were all homosexual acts,yet no one is looking again at homosexuality to reconsider our growing tolerance of it.
It’s only a matter of politics: I am not in a Catholic Church, but there have been precautionary acts put up in my church regarding prevention of child molestation, it’s prevalent throughout the entire world over.
The growing movement for gay rights is based on a premise: the idea of natural rights. In the case of The Declaration of Independence, the British weren’t giving us a vote or say in what they did regarding us, we had no parliamentary say as to what happened regarding us, no vote for who should represent us. The European powers were despotic regimes, no matter how hard you put it.
In the case of homosexuality, it’s a case where people advertised consummating their acts as a freedom or a right. There has been a right to do it in private for a long time now. There are people who are willing to buy into the idea that their cause is right, and that’s why it has become accepted. Sad part is yes, no one is bothering to look into same-gender attraction as the problem with man-boy pedophilia, one exception is the Boy Scouts of America.
...evry Christian organization must NOW disinfect itself of every pedophile.
That is very true. Every church should pass precautionary measures to discourage molestation of children in general. As I have said before, pedophilia is a worldwide problem, a disorder originating from experiences at adolescence.
What was rotten was the idea that homosexual celibate priests are the same as heterosexual ones. This one misconceptions in the seminaries accounts for the vast majority of the problem.
The concept of natural rights as understood by Jefferson does not embrace sexuality. As understood by Rousseau, or John Wilkes, or deSade, yes. In the 18th century, the word ‘gay” was applied to any libertine. What is amazing about the gay rights movement is the power it has acquired in such a short time. This could only have happened by a widespread abandonment of Christian morality, and it has of course occured inside the Church as well as out. This has destroyed the mainline Protestant churches, and now only a minority of either Catholics or Protestants subscribed to it. What this has done to society is not something that has yet to be examinined, and it will either lead to religious persecution or a religiously inspired reaction that may be about as bad.
Only 5% of the known victims came foreward. When the Catholic Church makes things right for every victim - and not just the ones who take them to court - then they can be reconciled to society.
Until that time, yeah It is at their feet.
Especially those who claim this is unfair while there are still known victims to whom amends have not been made.
The concept of natural rights as understood by Jefferson does not embrace sexuality.
Precisely. My apologies for not completing the statement. Not having the right to vote, and not having the right to have Parliamentary Seats Representing America, it was all a bad way of life. People try to sugar-coat how oppressive the British and the other European colonial powers were. They were cruel regimes ruled by despots or despotic government. People in America have forgotten the oppression of their parents. After all I have learned about U.S. History, and the History of the World contemporary to the founding of the United States, the horrid conditions on which the Revolution was fought, and the immense sacrifices made by those who lead the Revolution, it was an oppressive world we lived in, and a new, and different, kind of government rose from that. It was miraculous that the United States of America made it.
My family (Mother and Father’s side) are immigrants to America, they came and had to pretty much start life from scratch here in the U.S.A., because the Balkan states, Ireland, and Germany were all places that were poor enough at the time to justify giving up what you had and having to start your life over in America, even as in the case of my own great-grandmother, being a household servant after having once been a well-to-do farmer’s wife in what we would now call Serbia, with her children, including my grandmother and others.
Oppression is a word that has lost meaning for many people, and is sadly very true still for a whole lot of people as well, and many people don’t know true oppression, especially from living in America and living in such high prosperity. They forget how bad the oppression was in the past, the very kind of oppression that was behind the writing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Indeed. To be in service in a noble household in Britain was to be a virtual slave. The Glorious Revolution, which gave Parliament such power over the king, was not a step toward democracy but the establishment of an virtual aristocracy. Many fewer Englishment had the right to vote in 1776 than in 1676. Seats in the House of Commons were in effect the property of the local lord. Catholicism was suppressed, and only the few remaining Catholic families had freedom of worship. The nonconformists were disdained, and only the Toleration Act made it possible for them to have their ‘chapels.” Hard to think now, but “Methodism” was a highly subversive movement because Wesley actually gave a damn about the souls of the common folk.
Again, you bring up a good point about the situation in Great Britain. Especially important is the fact that fewer Englishmen voted over that time, that’s a point I didn’t have mentioned before.
The situation was never all that great for Catholicism in the years since the formation of the Church of England. Heavily in part because of, as even I will admit, Thomas Moore’s unwillingness to be complicit to Henry VIII, in making the King of England himself the Supreme Leader of the separate English Church. Moore was right in that matter, I believe. He didn’t have to acknowledge the King as the ruler of the Church, nor did he have to join. Which leads to another topic that drove people such as the Mayflower group to eventually come to North America, after first stopping in Holland, was the conflict involving the intolerance to religion that the first kings who were self-proclaimed leaders of the Church of England were heavily and physically intolerant of dissent to their own Church in Britain. It was similar to the Inquisition in terms of implications. Isaac Newton, is shown, by his own written essays in journal to have actually not been an atheist, but was afraid that he could lose his position to get accepted on his other important theories such as Universal Gravitation because he wrote a lot of material about the nature of God in his time, that he felt would not get approval.
What does a picture of the pope making the sign of the cross have to do with sexual abuse of minors in Belgium?
I think Sodomy is the Beast that approaches the altar in prophecy.
- There seems to be an acceptance of a dominant “gay subculture“ in the "celibate" Catholic Priesthood. Gay priests seem to be very popular, especially among Catholic women.
Belgium doesn’t have a Catholic church. They’ve been in de-facto schism for a couple of centuries.
>> Belgium doesn’t have a Catholic church. They’ve been in de-facto schism for a couple of centuries. <<
I’m being too flippant in writing that, but the Belgian Catholic church is in particularly sorry shape. The diocese of Utrecht in the Netherlands actually did go into full schism, and the church in Belgium has long been weak and teetering on outright apostasy.
As for Danneels, he’s been famously the liberals’ hope for a pope, but truthfully, it’s hard to attack him on this... the article mentioned the trouble was mostly between the 1950s and 1985, and that the majority of the accused are now dead.
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