Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock
I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.
I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.
But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.
I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!
A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."
I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?
And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."
God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).
Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.
So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.
Very. God bless us ALL, no matter what faith.
Um, the pope, THE POPE, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church said that Mormon’s are NOT Christians. I don’t know how much more plain that meaning can be!
But maybe you don’t really listen to the Pope. Maybe Catholics can do that now. Who knows.
1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things
1 John 4:1 ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Why does it upset you so that someone has a different religion than you do?
It doesn't upset me at all other than the fact that the unbelievers in the true Jesus Christ are going to Hell. In fact, I fully support their rights to chose Hell, though it pains me. Just like I fully support my right to speak out about false religions.
The same laws that allow them to believe in false Christ' allow me to speak out about that.
Ever read the old testatment where moses is up on the mountain talking to God; meanwhile the wandering children of Israel begged Aaron to make them a god. He made a golden calf out of gold earrings so the people could pray and worship it; and praised it for bringing them out of egypt! Exodus 32. There are all kinds of ‘different’ gods.
I’m still waiting on those links. There’s a whole lot of ignoring going on.
You know my heart’s desire is to be able to shake President Bush’s hand and thank him for the good things he did for this country and I’d like to ask Glenn Beck in person whether we believe in the same Jesus.
Now imagine that because Glenn Beck has issues with George Bush. How can we all possibly co-exist?
How do you know you believe in the real Jesus? Do you and I believe in the same Jesus? In eternity will our conversation even matter? Will you be able to post those links any time soon?
Great! LOL!
"So I went over much grass and many flowers and among all kinds of wholesome and delectable trees till lo! in a narrow place between two rocks there came to me a great Lion. The speed of him was like the ostrich, and his size was an elephant's; his hair was like pure gold and the brightness of his eyes like gold that is liquid in the furnace. He was more terrible than the Flaming Mountain of Lagour, and in beauty he surpassed all that is in the world even as the rose in bloom surpasses the dust of the desert.
"Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, 'Son, thou art welcome.' But I said, 'Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.' He answered, 'Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.' Then by reason of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, 'Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one?' The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, 'It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites - I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child?' I said, 'Lord, thou knowest how much I understand.' But I said also (for the truth constrained me), 'Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days.' 'Beloved,' said the Glorious One, 'unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek.'
You attacked me like one of those 20,000 ... you apparently missed something.
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God will use man to do something. I dont think Glenn is leading a religious revival in America based off of one rally. I was only pointing out that if people are upset that a Mormon is leading a religious rally, why arent they holding their pastors to account. The only way Glenn could be a leader is if we were devoid of them. Nationally, I think we are. And, I think that is ok.
btw, I think what Beck accomplished was worthwhile.
That's a good one to carry with you always...
:)
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy...having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away" (2 TIm. 3:1,2,5).
"For the time will come when they will come when they will not endure sound doctrine! But after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned unto fables." (2 TIm. 4:3,4).
So politically speaking, a revival of truths about our country's founding and how to get back those truths are critical.
but biblically speaking, spiritual apostacy is here and has settled in comfortably in our churches.
WIll God give our country yet another chance politically if we turn back to him spiritually? Or is the spiritual apostacy just too strong to break? Interesting question, to me.
What links? I already posted in this thread the link from LDS.org where it states that Mormon’s believe that their Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.
Now the point is, which you are ignoring, that Glen can say all day he believes Jesus died on the cross. But his Jesus is not the Jesus of the Holy Bible.
Well, that just happened, so I would say a few hundred thousand would show up and peaceably worship.
Pastor John Samson will not be missed because not many have ever heard of him.
Didn’t one of the founding fathers say something about this republic only surviving if the populace lived according to Biblical principles? I just read an article today about a British professor saying because there is no God, there are no human rights and the disabled should be sterilized.
So, go ahead, destroy the nation any way you see fit. Without the God of the Bible or with the gods of the pagan nations of the world.
Worked for Billy Graham.
That's the thing Dude, there is no true worship going on when God is not worshiped.
Glen Beck's god isn't my God.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus came for ALL people, and His apostles took His word beyond the Jews to the entire world, which included MANY unbelievers, and I, for one, am glad they did.
I would like you to post the links that Beck claims what he believes. From his own mouth.
How do you know he’s not like our great president now who managed 20 years under a minister and don’t remember nothing he said. Doesn’t believe anything he taught.
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