Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
It’s nice that you acknowledge it.
Sadly, the Catholic Monarch never worked - well, Isabel of Spain was probably about the only one who even came close - even though the idea of a ruler informed by Catholicism is not a bad idea. However, even a “Catholic Monarch” is not a representative of a theocracy, but simply a monarch who subscribes to Catholic principles. Such monarchs are pretty thin on the ground, though, and I don’t think you can build a political theory on their existence.
Fer pete’s sake, go and find out what a theocracy is. It is NOT an established church. By those standards, England would be a theocracy, which it is clearly not.
Go back and review your terms and then try again.
Was he (Constantine) responsible for the building of St. Peter’s Basilica? And the first ecumenical council at Nicea?
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
All one has to do is read Ratzinger's "global authority" enclyclical to understand the truth of what you've written.
The counter Reformation never ended.
Nice website, too.
What a load of tripe! Now, why don’t you engage with what the Church officially teaches:
Restored Holy Roman Empire? Put me down for an earldom or at least a barony (or their continental equivalents). It doesn’t have to be big. Just so long as I’m an elector.
The Vatican City is not a “nation” in the sense of a self-governing people — it’s not big enough to have any substantial permanent population, but an independent sovereignty allowing the Holy See to be independent of other sovereign powers. And this helps preserve the independence of the Church from the state. Henry VIII and Stalin are what you get when the Church is at the mercy of the state and is not ultimately independent. It is not remotely similar to Islam and its ideal theocratic state, a caliphate, where religious law is the sole supreme law for all.
When Rome lifts the anathemas against all Protestants maybe Rome will have some credibility.
In a free society, the Church, as does any religion, including Protestant churches, has the right to say what it believes and what it does not believe. It has the right to tell Protestants where their beliefs are wrong, just as Protestants have the (civil) to say where the Catholic Church is wrong. I don’t see the problem here.
Louis IX, of St. Louis, Missouri fame, whose feast we celebrated on the 25th springs immediately to mind. Monarchists get all misty eyed about Charles I of Austria as a "modern" example. Actually there's quite a herd of "good" Catholic monarchs pre-reformation but since then certainly they're rather a rare breed.
To me Catholic monarchists are a bit like Star Trek fans... or Civil War reenactors... or sports nuts. As long as they don't show up at the office in uniform they're pretty benign. I'm all in favor of the occasional harmless eccentricity.
sorry: meant to say “(civil) right”
When the Vatican sends representatives to other countries, are they representing the political arm of the Church or the religious arm? THe same thing with treaties, concords, etc.?
Indeed. He donated several basilicae to the Church to use for worship and personally gave the Church land and finances to build a new basilica as a monument to St. Peter.
And the first ecumenical council at Nicea?
Hosius Cordubensis, a Spanish bishop, proposed the idea - due to the fact that the Arians were gaining ground in Spain.
After consulting with the bishops (who had already held a number of local synods regarding these matters), Constantine offered both a venue and safe passage to to Nicaea for all the bishops able to make the journey. Such a gathering was never possible before - the last time such a Council had been held was in Jerusalem during the time of the Apostles.
Constantine attended, but did not interfere and seated the bishops before he sat down - a breach of royal protocol to demonstrate that he was not in charge: the bishops were.
The Church is not going to pretend false teachings aren't false.
It must get tiring deliberately misrepresenting this paragraph every other week.
Do you really think that no one's heard of international law before?
Ambassadors and treaties help to protect the rights of the Church and its members in the various countries involved. Not really much different from the Mormon church, say, or the Baptist church, sending lobbyists to Washington to protect the interests and freedoms of those religious organizations and their members. It just so happens that in this case, the head of the religious organization involved is an independent sovereignty. Back in the 19th Century and before, when the Papal states were extensive and had true subject populations, your Islamic analogy would be more persuasive, but a few acres in the city of Rome is hardly the same thing.
You've actually hit on something that causes a great deal of annoyance within the Church. I think it was Paul VI who elevated the Secretariat of State over the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith as the highest ranking curial department.
We've had difficulty focusing ever since.
It takes a special kind of idiot to buy this garbage. Definitely ZOT worthy.
Ive been a Catholic for close to 80 years and no one has dictated to me ever.
A worse dictatorship is in the process of stepping overtly on the global stage.
The added horror is that it appears likely that the UFO incidents that constituted Fatima as well as the weight and leadership of the Vatican will be placed behind & in support of the global dictatorship from hell.
This document hints of elements that could be in play in such an eventuality.
It is hideously horrific.
Folks do not realize how movements and pressures can be brought to bear along these lines.
The average person is moved more by memes, themes, images, symbols, emotions, idolized authorities placed higher than God etc. than by well thought out facts and realities—Biblical and otherwise.
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