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To: Dr. Eckleburg

In a free society, the Church, as does any religion, including Protestant churches, has the right to say what it believes and what it does not believe. It has the right to tell Protestants where their beliefs are wrong, just as Protestants have the (civil) to say where the Catholic Church is wrong. I don’t see the problem here.


69 posted on 08/27/2010 2:36:54 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam; Hank Kerchief
The "problem" is that Protestants do not "curse to hell" Roman Catholics whereas Rome most certainly does "curse to hell" all Protestants who believe in the assurance of their salvation by Jesus Christ, men's only redeemer.

Big difference. It's the difference between a free society and a repressive junta, which is what this article addresses.

96 posted on 08/27/2010 4:39:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Hank Kerchief
The "problem" is that Protestants do not "curse to hell" Roman Catholics whereas Rome most certainly does "curse to hell" all Protestants who believe in the assurance of their salvation by Jesus Christ, men's only redeemer.

Big difference. It's the difference between a free society and a repressive junta, which is what this article addresses.

From HERE

CARITAS IN VARITATE

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity.U>To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations...

Anyone who reads this "need" for a "global authority with teeth" to regulate this country's financial systems, economic policies, politics, immigration regulations, food distribution, health care, etc., and doesn't see the obvious communism that is at the center of it is blind.

I bought the encyclical. I read the encyclical. And it was horrifying. Marx could have written it.

99 posted on 08/27/2010 5:15:33 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Dr. Eckleburg
In a free society, the Church, as does any religion, including Protestant churches, has the right to say what it believes and what it does not believe. It has the right to tell Protestants where their beliefs are wrong, just as Protestants have the (civil) to say where the Catholic Church is wrong. I don’t see the problem here.

Of course you see no problem. After all you are a proponent of the "Infallible" Unam Sanctam aren't you?

"That there is only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church we are compelled by faith to believe and hold, and we firmly believe in her and sincerely confess her, outside of whom there is neither salvation nor remission of sins.....Furthermore we declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff."

POPE BONIFACE VIII Unam Sanctam (November 18, 1302 AD)

If this fails to meet the standard of "infallibility" please enlighten me.

331 posted on 08/28/2010 2:49:04 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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