Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Quix]

I didn’t single individuals out.

If you can stand before God and insist that the shoe doesn’t fit—great.

[D-fendr]

these people get entrenched and thus ship wreck their faith, but rarely see that that has happened?

I'm not clear here: are you saying all those who believe in UFO experiences lose their faith? Or all those who believe the have experienced UFOs lose, or have lost, their faith?

[Quix]

http://www.ANCIENTofDAYS.NET

http://www.ALIENRESISTANCE.ORG

[D-fendr]

Was that a yes? No? Maybe?

[D-fendr]

I didn’t single individuals out.

My point was if you are accusing someone of something, you should. Don't include me in your "y'all" did thi if I'm not in that group.

If you can stand before God

Good grief.

[caww]

Quix...I just listened to your links on Roswell....what I am thinking is yes, there is was likely a cover up. But no-one seems to know just what they were covering up. Now it was of course known that many secretive military experiments were done with various metals etc. at Roswell, and why of course secretive for a reason. Our military does not report their research into the substances they are developing for aircraft and military. So they could very well have been hiding these from getting into the public and therefore into enemy hands.... So a cover up, to me does not mean they were hiding evidence of UFO’s, meaning extra terrestrial aircraft...rather something which could very well have been a military experiment they did not want revealed to our enemies.

I say this because my son was in the Airforce...high security. He could never say exactly all he knows but spoke of the things the military can actually do, that would be almost unbelievable, with their various mechanics, technology, infrared rays and such. He actually was one of a team in one of our planes that could do this stuff. I won't get into detail but our military does have, and has had some very remarkable things which they have developed. Some of these crashes could very well have been that which the military was testing.

UFO”S are simply unidentified objects...not known by those observing them...I am not convinced there are extra terrestrials.... though of course possible things which we do not understand nor can identify...but this does not mean the speculation's of other beings or aircraft from other planets is so.

Our universe is gigantic..and I suspect many things float out there we cannot identify...but I have a real problem believing anything there is actually beings or craft from other planets....the science and math probabilities go more against this then the speculations that we hear.

[Quix]

I appreciate your perspective.

However, the critters at Roswell are now well documented.

Therefore what . . . is hard to definitively say. However, they were certainly construed to be NON-EARTHLY.

And their smell was hyper awful.

[caww]

No, not saying that...I am saying that there are many in the NEW, though not really new, New age Spiritual Movement and the like... who have integrated UFO and space aliens into their beliefs and are promoting this to Christian believers...and using Christian elements to attract them. Once they are “hooked” and get into things like transcedental meditation or out of the body experiences, where they believe they are seeing Christ..and or fighting heavenly battles for Him,...it is a difficult thing to reason with them when the experiences they are having appear so real to them...and they believe they are real and of God. In the process of indoctrinating these people they loose their ability for critical thinking as the levels of “enlightenment” or “acession” thru various relmns rituals or practices are so intensive. It’s actually pretty awful but there are many “teachers” on line, where this is mostly happening and why it is spreading so rapidly, who “walk” them thru these practices assuring them that their fears are misplaced etc.

These are Christians who have been seduced and deceived...as with all cults...they use Christianity to do this. Eventually, if they remain in this..their true biblical beliefs become twisted....because this movement is very good at hoodwinkling people. Thus they do shipwreck their faith..they soon believe more of the nonesense then they do the truth...”You cannot serve two masters” one will become dominate and generally these experiences will win over “faith” as we know it to be.

[Quix]

INDEED. QUITE SO.

[caww]

I wasn’t speaking of the “critters”, rather that of the metals that these people said they had not seen anything like them...these could have very well been the tests the military was doing with various metals for aircraft etc. which crashed.

As for the “critteres” I have seen and heard both views of that story and seen the documentation. We will have to differ on our conclusions of the “critters”. I lean toward that which was pretty much stated as a hoax. But then you likely have seen more than I.

[Quix]

I read the ‘hoaxes’ . . . as well.

They didn’t wash. None of them.

My relative also was told about the critters.

Too sleepy to respond better.

Good night.

God be with you and yours.

[D-fendr]

Thanks for your explanation. The combination of your posts make a good point and I know the type of groups you’re referring to, New Age is a catchall, but within similar things. Raelians and the Bop Comet group would be extreme examples.

I don’t know if you would agree, but I think the same phenomenon can also be wrapped up into Christian themes, without the TM and new age components. Instead they can be fit into end times, demons, etc. Diagrammed it would look like this:

1) UFO phenomenon > new age practice > off the edge

compared to:

2) demons/end times > UFO phenomenon > Christian practice > off the edge

Where:
Off the edge = loss of critical thinking, mixing biblical with fantastical, loss of grasp of reality.

What’s common is what you described in people attracted, fascinated by the, IMHO, fantastical theories. What I’m adding is MHO that the same folks can be caught up in a wrapper of New Age or of End Times, both of which lend themselves to a wide range of fantastic possibilities, appealing again to a certain type of person.

[the_conscience]

Here's a chicken or egg question that goes with this. Is the authoritarian structure and on going desire to control Christianity a product of the ruling class of this church when it emerged as the dominant church in the west, or is it because they saw no other way to achieve the "full moral potential" of people.

Excellent question, Bill. I'm sure I'm not qualified to answer that. It just seems to me that it is both/and.

What I am confidant in is that both the Secularists and Romanists believe that society should be ordered on the basis of intellectualism and that a ruling elite, due to their supposed intellect, should dictate to the masses what is best for them. So both apply the same form although the expected outcomes differ.

Liberal Protestant Christianity is likewise informed. Believing that man can be perfected by the law.

In the end I think it comes down to that it is inherent in man's nature to try and perfect the Law. That's why the Gospel is so radically counter-intuitive. To place trust in the performance of the Other and to lay aside trust in our own performance seems incoherent to our nature. It's far easier to succumb to the desire to fulfill the law on our own. Only by the grace of God can one be freed from the obligation to fulfill the law and know the law has been fulfilled already by Christ. The freedom to live for the One who set the captives free.

[Cronos]

And GK Chesterton in Orthodoxy says it best:

for the madman (like the determinist) generally sees too much cause in everything. The madman would read a conspiratorial significance into those empty activities....

Everyone who has had the misfortune to talk with people in the heart or on the edge of mental disorder, knows that their most sinister quality is a horrible clarity of detail; a connecting of one thing with another in a map more elaborate, than a maze.

[Cronos]

So, wmfights, I ask you again — bkaycee has clearly stated (correctly, I might add) that he does not consider Unitarians to be Protestants. Are Unitarians, according to you, Protestants?

[caww]

I think you now understand...but there is a difference between End times because there really are going to be end times as we know...the problem there is every little event or happening is suddenly another “sign” or proof. There is a healthy way to look at end-time events...basically a wait and see is good I think.

I watch international events pretty close as I think the alignment of nations and such has always been interesting and the leadership changes which occur....but no I do not believe Bo is the ant-Christ....nor that we're going to see Armageddon in the next few months....but we do live in interesting times and most do agree, even nonbeliever's that the world is on a collision course.....with God Almighty before all is said and done...but he has and can slow the developments down, and has done exactly that over the years.

I noted you mentioned the Raelians so I knew you had to be familiar in some respect. Starseeds is another and the galactic hoo-doo-vood-doo they claim. It's like all these groups are as big plate of spaghetti intertwined...but no direct leadership per say.....so it's tough to get at the root. But most are rooted in Hindu based practices just given different names to make them more modern and acceptable.

Although I understand you mentioning all these appealing to “a certain type of person”, often artistic types, people with high level of imaginations, and the love everybody crowd fit in as well, the Environmental groups are deeply into it in one way or another...Al gore is a good example...he's into it deeply and is what caused his marital issues. But I have to say more and more the dumbing down of our country has created minds which are now easily deceived by this as well.

[Cronos]

Individuals within cannot disagree with the fundamental clauses of the organisation. For example, one in your own group cannot deny the divinity of Christ and the Trinity, or that person denies the basic fundamentals of your group. Similarly, a Unitarian denies the Trinity, that is the basic fundamental of that group, defined in their very name.

I'm not talking about externals or even subsequent doctrines, but about basic dogmas like the Trinity. A Trinitarian is a Christian and vice-versa

[D-fendr]

There are problems with hierarchies. However, determining and maintaining correct teaching by democratic vote, combined with a proclivity to schisms, IMHO, creates much worse problems of error and heterodoxy.

[Cronos]

The difference is when a catholic experiences these entities...it is treated quite seriously

Yes, by you, but many posters on this thread, including the ones making UFO noises, will mock these superstitions like seeing some image on a potato) (by the way, I put no clause into these, and neither does The Church -- if people see it, well and good, unless it takes them away from Christian dogma, no reaction and definitely not to make it an article of faith to believe in). Furthermore, instead of arguing why they do not believe in the Transfiguration, we get mocking and then we learn that they believe in bio-engineered alien robots controlled by discombobulated demons.

Now, you tell me, how does someone who believes in that, then mock the mysteries of religion?

[Cronos]

You never answered that — according to you, are Unitarians (deniers of the Trinity), Protestants?