Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
If there was a time when Jesus Christ wasn't God then He was not, is not and can not be God. If He is not God then the whole of Christian belief is a nothing.
And so the penny drops. If one denies the divinity of Christ then no wonder there is consternation and outrage at the honor and devotion Catholics give to the Mother of GOD. That's what it's all about, Mary's Son is God, not because of her but because of Him. Mary is nothing without Jesus and He is everything no matter what.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." --Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119
That being said, lets all agree that it would be foolish to think that our Catholic fellow citizens (including much of my own family) are due loyalists (the countless Catholics who have died in service to their country prove this) nor that even many in the clergy desire a dictatorship. Nevertheless, there remains an extremist wing in the RCC (which includes a handful of freepers) who are outright hostile to the principles of the Anglo-Scottish Enlightenment that gave birth to this country, and who seek the return of a so-called "glorious age" when all are/were united religiously under Rome (the "unity" has been disproved by the countless wars, between Christian nations, as well as conflicts between throne and altar), and the Enlightenment never happened.
The best thing to do with these people is to point and laugh. Merely a Confederacy of Dunces.
Quite reasonably and accurately put, I think.
However, the lot of them seem to have 0.0000000000% insight.
No insight into the blokes in their mirrors.
And no insight into their . . . POLITELY—PROBLEMATIC . . . INSTITUTION . . .
Evidently mirrors are anathematized under the Vatican umbrella.
Nope...But I find that belief far less harmful than to believe Mary is my co-Redeemer...Or Mary dispenses all the Grace I need...OR that Mary is the Queen of Heaven that God warns to stay away from...
It appears from the Semple one’s behavior, she violated the command against divorce and remarriage or requested the escape clause of fornication. If this be so, Aimee might well have been conversant with the woman caught in adultery. What do you think?
Jesus forbade remarriage??? Under the Law or under grace??? Adultery is sin...Is there a remedy for sin???
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
But yet you guys forbid your priests, bishops and popes to marry, against God's will...You tell your people not to eat meat on Friday, against God's will...And of course let's not forget to mention that your religion provides cover for your pedophile and queer priests, bishops, cardinals and popes, against God's will...
Where do any of you get off criticizing this woman...Your religion makes her look like a Saint...Maybe you ought to canonize her...
Those who have been blinded will not see it.
Those whom God calls will understand and believe in the only Mediator between men and God, Christ Jesus.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." -- Matthew 5:11-14"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Bible-believing Christians are the city that cannot be hid. Thank God for His unearned mercy. Regardless of how some men love to boast, the only good work that saves anyone is Christ's good work on the cross, freely imputed to His own by the will of God for His glory, according to His purpose.
I agree, Walmart vision centers are excellent, for eye exams and for anything to do with eyeglasses.
They have better hours too, and ten years ago, they ophthamologist gave me a prescription for pink eye on a Saturday morning which allowed me to attend my grandmother’s 90th birthday party.
I don't call Mary bles-sed...I say that she is blessed...Jesus says we are more blessed...Or is that bles-sed???
It’s another silly straw dog of a deflection, redirection of the Vatican magicians following in the
!!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of their duplicitous magicsterical elites who were sooooooo supportive of the blasphemous, idolatrous hideocies about Mary as well as they were so supportive of far, far too many of the priests fondling altar boys.
250. Thanks again, Quix. You said
Some have said that the language below
is ‘merely’ hyperbolic adoration.
Wellllllllllllll ... that won’t do any good at all as the demons are dragging any idolater down to eternal hell for not having saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
265, point 6, good question.
Aimee or anyone’s sins / failures / mistakes / scandals are WRONG WRONG WRONG and not to be defended or excused.
Good thing she served a Savior Who is merciful and that she lived a lively faith and availed herself of His mercy.
Has anyone answered this yet?
6. PLEASE note for the Proddys which of y’all’s VERY altar boy friendly priests did 1/10,000th
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the good for the Kingdom of God that Aimee did.
TOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE, for sure.
VERY WELL PUT.
THX THX.
WELL PUT.
THX THX.
Seems unlikely that Hagee would have said that...You have something more than here say for the citation???
Stop right there. I don't know if you're actually paying attention to what's going on here but the post you're responding to is related to the divinity of Christ and my assertion that people who disagree on the answer to "Who do you say that I am" will ignore their differences to spit at the Catholic Church in some sort of bizarre duet.
Now I am not a "Vatican magician" nor am I supportive of the filth that has attempted to infiltrate the Catholic Church. I know you're going to laugh that off, but I will not.
Is there anything more important in your mind than Who and What Jesus Christ is? If someone teaches that Jesus Christ is a shrimp boat captain is that less important than someone who believes that Mary cooperated with the Redemption? If someone teaches that Jesus Christ was a great big hairy baboon with three eyes and a toe for a nose is that less offensive than teaching that Jesus Christ IS NOT GOD?! It's the same position theologically! The gulf separating you, me and Mary from a great big hairy baboon with three eyes and a toe for a nose is non-existent compared to the gulf that separates you, me, Mary and that baboon from God.
Pay attention to what you're willing to align yourself with in your crusade. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not a fundamental truth, usually the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy as well.
Where did you learn that??? From your catechism???
If one denies the divinity of Christ then no wonder there is consternation and outrage at the honor and devotion Catholics give to the Mother of GOD.
Doesn't appear that anyone denied the divinity of Christ...It appears that, if what you say is accurate, that Jesus did not become the Christ til He was filled with the Spirit...
That's what it's all about, Mary's Son is God, not because of her but because of Him. Mary is nothing without Jesus and He is everything no matter what.
HaHaHa...If your religion all of a sudden declared Mary is just a sinner like the rest of us, your religion would immediately crash...
What would all those Catholics do with those millions of front yard bath tubs???
There appear to be two reasons to attack Catholicism.
1. By liberaltarians and regular leftists and atheists who want to destroy all public morality.
2. Protestants who don’t realize they are playing right into #1’s purpose. If Protestants saved their fervor to convert the #1 group into being believers in God instead of viciously attacking Christians who have some differences in theology, then their fervor would be of value.
This thread is a very good example that proves my points. If the leftists etc have more control than they have now, all believers in God will have plenty of time to discuss differences of theology in the re-education camps, at least until the drugs and shock therapy take effect. Or bullets.
VERY BIBLICAL ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE TIMELESS, ETERNAL, ALWAYS WAS, IS AND WILL BE DEITY OF CHRIST
are simply clueless, ignorant and/or willfully blind.
I'd be hard pressed to think of any known Proddy on here buying into anything less than a robust Biblical set of truth about Christ's deity.
All the RC blather to the contrary is a stadium full of straw dogs--designed to mean-spiritedly deflect the truths about the Vatican's own deficiencies, idolatries, blasphemies, heresies.
That's it in a nutshell--pure and simple.
However, by all means, carry on. It makes it abundantly easier to just point lurkers to y'all's relentless demonstrations of such idiocies. They are plenty smart to draw their own rational conclusions in the face of such mean-spirited weasel tactics, strategies and UNMITIGATED HOGWASH.
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