Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Yes, facts like “what is a Unitarian, a non-Christian group that does not believe in the Trinity or the divinity of Christ, doing arguing Christian doctrine”?
I was gone for 100+ posts and-—man, has this thread ever deteriorated.
It’s terminal.
But not your efforts in building a beautiful house of worship?
Are these huge ornate churches really being built for God? If so why do they have to be so big and fancy?
Why huge? Why beautiful? Why awesome?
Why bother? seems to be your attitude. Because God is huge, beautiful and awesome and we have a choice in what to do with the space we worship Him in. We can choose to use the talents He gave us to be his instrument in creating a place of great beauty, a special place; or we can not give a darn and treat it just like any other place.
I'm afraid you're not getting the connection that God uses us and that it is to our benefit to do all we can to use all our senses in devotion to God. God also comes to us through our sense, through Beauty. We cooperate with Him in being His instrument through which Beauty comes into our finite world.
Perhaps this will make sense to you. God makes a place sacred, you can either trash the place up or be God's instrument in bringing forth beauty and grandeur in that place.
Think of your body for example. If it's God's temple, do you have no concern for it - make it a "backroom" or do you have respect and care and make it all that God allows through you?
Incorruptibles they call them.
They see this as further proof of the truthfulness Catholic faith.
On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”
It isn't about sitetest.
It's a speck and log thing. Typology in Revelation versus the core Christian teaching of he Divinity of Christ and Jesus being the Way, the Truth and the Light.
You disagree with the former; do you disagree with the latter?
Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake. Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.
Sent you a PM.
Another unscriptural teaching.
And what the heck? Catholics are the ones who say *From dust you are to dust you shall return* when you get ashes on Ash Wednesday.
Me?
I’d rather this body rot. I want the new one. I’ll trade corruptible for incorruptible any day of the week.
They can keep their old bodies.
“Better stick to the Catholic Caucus threads.”
Why? When I bother at all with the open threads, I ignore most of the pure sewage of most of the non-Catholics and learn a lot from the Catholics.
Works for me.
sitetest
Ok. I’m accepting you don’t want to give your view on God’s word on the question asked.
If I may: Why is this question special? Why give your interpretation so freely on all manner of other questions, but not this one?
Then why all the Catholic whining and running to the RM over every little slight?
Besides, what does that verse have to do with dead body fetishes?
I'd say all the proof we need is in Christ's words: Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake. Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.
Then why all the Catholic whining and running to the RM over every little perceived slight?
Besides, what does that verse have to do with dead body fetishes?
LOL! If that's how you want to label calling people out for not following the rules of the Religion Forum.
Besides, what does that verse have to do with dead body fetishes?
I was addressing Gamecock's claim of Catholics needing proof.
That simply isn't true. What is most often noted as "The Lord's Day," and "first day of the week" is the word SABBATWN - which points to God's High Holy Days.
The Holy Days of the Lord cannot be changed without making His word null in the Torah - And the Torah stands FOREVER... Even as the Sabbath Day stands... FOREVER, since before the establishement of the Law...
Why would Christ sanction changing what the Father said was forever established? He would not. It is a tradition of men.
Furthermore, those Holy Days (at least 3 of them) are predicted by the prophets to be resumed during the Millenial Reign - That is a fair indication that Christ Himself will re-institute them... Which casts great doubt upon those who have removed them, purportedly in Christ's name:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (e-Sword: KJV)
To be sure, the Roman Church admits the Holy Days were changed of her own authority. she gloats about her power:
“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.
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“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.
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“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!” “Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
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“The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.
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“Question. What warrant have you for keeping Sunday preferably to the ancient sabbath which was Saturday?
“Answer. We have for it the authority of the Catholic church and apostolic tradition.
“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the (Roman Catholic) Church, has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.” John Gilmary Shea, American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.
Thanks for coming to my defense.
Dear Religion Moderator,
I wish that you hadn't deleted the post in question. It made a good object lesson of how these open threads descend into raw sewage.
Thanks,
sitetest
Thank you.
Good luck on getting answers to this one. I've been having a devil of a time. :)
BTW, the Church didn't pull it out of thin air - it's what the Apostles and early Church did.
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