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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: maryz

It wasn’t just me who was *poorly catechized* because there are scads of Catholics in the area in which I grew up who believed the same things.

And there are plenty of ex-Catholic FReepers who, unless they grew up in the same area I did, strangely believe the same what FRoman Catholics call errors.

You’d reasonably expect that if it were a result of being poorly catechized, that different areas and parishes would have different errors taught, but across the board, there are the same beliefs which all former Catholics recognize as being taught by the Roman Catholic church that FRoman Catholics say are not Catholic doctrine.

It’s the same beliefs that you guys call error. There’s too much similarity to be coincidental.


1,981 posted on 09/07/2010 1:40:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law

Can you tell us more, please? Calvinism is the reason why Switzerland (or at least the once Protestant part) is so athiest today


1,982 posted on 09/07/2010 1:41:01 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: metmom

lol


1,983 posted on 09/07/2010 1:41:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg

We could read it the first time. Just how many times do you feel it necessary to repost the thing in its entirety?

You can’t just provide a link to the first time you posted it?


1,984 posted on 09/07/2010 1:42:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Iscool; Natural Law
Iscool :Ronnie Reagan has seen a UFO Dear Ronnie died a few years ago, btw

All of the astronauts have seen ufos Wow --> so do you have a direct quote from "all of the astronauts"
1,985 posted on 09/07/2010 1:43:09 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: narses
Good stuff. When you empty your heart of hatred and learn the Law of Love you will embrace this book.

HaHaHa...A Spirit filled Christian won't embrace that book, ever...

1,986 posted on 09/07/2010 1:45:23 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

They can’t comprehend that we’d die first


1,987 posted on 09/07/2010 1:48:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
You COULD read them as you say, but then you wouldn't then say as did Doc Eck (post #1773) Protestants argue with their enemies and try to persuade them by the weight of the Scriptures this when we see that
From Other Sources: "Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" James 3:11.
1,988 posted on 09/07/2010 1:51:20 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Iscool; narses

well, a HOLY spirit filled person would — someone filled with non-Holy Spirits on the other hand....


1,989 posted on 09/07/2010 1:52:17 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

Prove that’s a “conservative Presbyterian website” and explain what is being argued or we’ll have to conclude nothing is as you say...again.


1,990 posted on 09/07/2010 1:56:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool
"And they still died, and went to Hell...Without hope, without God..."

You don't know that to be true. Your brand of Christianity is full of hell, damnation, fire and brimstone. Salvation is to be pursued severely as a means to avoid punishment. Catholicism is full of love and Beatitude as Christ instructed.

Those ministered to by Mother Teresa did not have to profess their faith to you, me, or even her. They only need confess that they felt and returned the love when they stand before their maker.

Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him. Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. The Church teaches:

It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.

The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders.

1,991 posted on 09/07/2010 2:00:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: metmom
I went to grammar school with Catholic kids who apparently preferred their own interpretation (or errors passed down from their parents) to what we learned in school. Nevertheless, I think you're overstating it; people remember bits and fragments and extrapolate (forgetting the other "bits and fragments").

Then, of course, some things can't really be explained adequately at a grammar-school level -- you get kind of an outline of the basics. And that was true even when I was in grammar school, with the old Baltimore Catechisms.

1,992 posted on 09/07/2010 2:03:09 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Iscool
"...Was approved by a Cardinal..."

No, the Cardinal approved the censor, not every decision the censor made. That is why infallibility is only reserved to the Pontiff under very specific conditions.

1,993 posted on 09/07/2010 2:03:20 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: maryz; metmom

We preach the Word of God directly to little school kids who have no problem understanding it, and also directly to the mentally challenged (Down’s Syndrome for instance). Maybe you should try that instead of all your catechisms


1,994 posted on 09/07/2010 2:11:22 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg

Blah blah blah. Scratch any of us and our ancestors were killed by another group of ancestors over something. The english killed the french,the french the english, both shot the Indians, Catholics set the Jews on fire, in the American civil war, the north killed the south and vice versa. And that’s just my family. Get over it


1,995 posted on 09/07/2010 2:14:50 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Hmmm. That explains a lot . . . ;-)


1,996 posted on 09/07/2010 2:21:18 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Cronos; bkaycee
He alone was the redeemer in the ultimate sense, but they cooperated with Him in His work of redemption.

We all co-operate with Him in His work of redemption when we do good works that glorify Him and bring others to Him.

Being Jesus parents was a unique and special role in many ways, but Mary and Joseph were just human beings like any of us and there are likely plenty of people who could have filled those roles had they the right lineage and been born at the right time.

There's nothing about them fulfilling those roles that makes them deserving of the adoration and elevation that the RCC foists on them.

They did what they were called to do in obedience just as we do what we are called to do in obedience. It's not what we do that's significant, but our obedience in doing what God has for each and every one of us. They deserve no more credit for doing what they were called to do than we do for doing what we are called to do.

1,997 posted on 09/07/2010 2:25:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law

Basing it all on hearsay.

Nice.....


1,998 posted on 09/07/2010 2:26:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I've been tempted to bring up de Montfort's "True Devotion" several times but I've never quite had the stomach to deal with the firestorm that would result. I've actually got a copy but I don't think I've even ever read it all the way through. As I've indicated my spirituality simply isn't all that Marian. We've got charismatics in the Church too and that certainly isn't my spirituality.

Don't get me wrong, I pray the rosary, sing the Hail Holy Queen, go to Mass for the Marian feasts, and believe every doctrine on the Mother of God that the Church proposes for belief.

Along with St. Louis de Montfort I can say: With the whole Church I acknowledge that Mary, being a mere creature fashioned by the hands of God is, compared to his infinite majesty, less than an atom, or rather is simply nothing, since he alone can say, "I am he who is". Consequently, this great Lord, who is ever independent and self-sufficient, never had and does not now have any absolute need of the Blessed Virgin for the accomplishment of his will and the manifestation of his glory. To do all things he has only to will them.

As long as everything regarding Mary is rooted in that then I'm not going to get a case of the vapors. When it starts getting weird I go sing the Te Deum.

1,999 posted on 09/07/2010 2:27:47 PM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: Cronos; Iscool; RnMomof7
Ha ha — Iscool and RnMomof9 are hardly ex-Catholic, any more than you are the queen of Zululand.

They can tell us. Unless you go by the belief that there's no such thing as an ex-Catholic.

BTW, You um... forgot the courtesy ping.

2,000 posted on 09/07/2010 2:29:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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