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To: Cronos

Prove that’s a “conservative Presbyterian website” and explain what is being argued or we’ll have to conclude nothing is as you say...again.


1,990 posted on 09/07/2010 1:56:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What’s being argued in your Presbyterian website is clear —> READ it — the pdf points out the various heresies that the Orthodox Presbyterians find in the OPC.


2,090 posted on 09/07/2010 10:32:12 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And, you can refer to "A Denomination in Denial " by Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott which follows in the same vein as his large book, Christianity and Neo-Liberalism: The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond

The report OrthodoPresbyterian C : A denomination in denial talks about how this conservative Presbyterian reviews the report on justification presented to the 2006 General Assembly of the OPC. Elliott demonstrates that, with the connivance of the 2006 General Assembly, which tacitly approved it, the report attempts to cover up the presence in the OPC of the false gospel (according to him) in the OPC.

here's a quote from this Conservative former OPC "elder" (NOTE: This is what your more conservative PResbyterian brethern (not me) say about you in the OPC)
For years, the neo-liberals and
their enablers have continually
pleaded for brotherly
love, understanding, and toleration,
while gaining evergreater
control. Today, neoliberals
and their enablers
clearly hold the upper hand.
Satan has won his war of attrition
against the one true
Gospel in the OPC
(113).

The OPC long ago ceased to
proclaim the one true Gospel
to the exclusion of all false
gospels
(115).
In fact, this
Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott says in this report

" If you are still in the Orthodox
Presbyterian Church—
whether you are a minister, elder,
deacon, or general member—
and you are still loyal to
the unique authority of God’s
Word, and to the one true Gospel
the Bible proclaims, then
it is time for you to “come out
from among them, and be
separate” (2 Corinthians 6:17)
(118, 119).

The Orthodox Presbyterian
Church has abandoned the
marks of a true church of
Jesus Christ (118).

2,093 posted on 09/07/2010 10:47:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
in fact the review (by Conservative Presbyterians) goes on to say:
This book ought to be read by every member of the OPC, as well as by those in the Reformed community who still harbor the illusion that the OPC is a bulwark of orthodoxy.

The book is required reading also for all those in ecumenical relation with the OPC, thus making themselves responsible for the OPC’s sins.

2,095 posted on 09/07/2010 10:50:45 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And,

Christianity and Neo-Liberalism
The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond
by
Paul M. Elliott

The Trinity Foundation

reviews this book and says:

This is a blockbuster of a book. One can only pray that its impact will, in God’s providence, live up to its potential. Not only is it well written, well researched, and well documented, but the author has a real sense of history, of church history that is. Back in the 1920’s, at the height of the fundamentalist-modernist controversy in the PCUSA, J. Gresham Machen, the leader of the conservatives wrote a book entitled, “Christianity and Liberalism.” In it he set forth and contrasted the theological beliefs of historic Christianity and of the liberals in the PCUSA. He convincingly argued the premise that liberals were not Christians and that modernism was another religion. Paul Elliott has taken that as his model and titled his book accordingly.

The author’s thesis is that the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) is today exactly where the PCUSA was back then.

2,097 posted on 09/07/2010 10:56:41 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Again, this former OPC Elder's book says:

In chapter 2, “The Marks of Neo-Liberalism” the author compares the tenets of the old
liberalism, (frequently as set forth by Machen, the founder of the OPC) with those of the current neo-liberals in the OPC. The comparison is enlightening and somewhat shocking.

Has the OPC really returned to its vomit?

Elliott goes on in chapter 4, “Embracing the Principles of the Auburn Affirmation,” to buttress his case.

Systematically he analyses the principles of the infamous Affirmation, the manifesto of the theological liberals in the old PCUSA, and demonstrates that the neo-liberals in the OPC are espousing identical principles. Again his documentation is thorough and the results are convincing.

Progressively he is building a damning indictment of the true state of the OPC.

2,098 posted on 09/07/2010 10:59:56 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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